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The NRA is currently "butting heads" with the "no issue" states on the state/fed court level.

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Originally Posted by edogg (Post 1026265)

Illinois got concealed carry last year because their "no issue" policy was deemed by the US Supreme Court to be incompatible with the 2nd Amendment. Now I think they have a "shall issue" policy after a certain amount of training and a firearm owner ID card.

So there's hope for Jersey if someone wants to fight it.

Unfortunately the state of Illinois is "micro managing" the "shall issue" policy.

The permits ONLY allow residents to carry in the issuing county, if you don't get a Cook County permit, you can't carry in Chicago.

Reciprocity law now allows out of state permit holders to "car carry" handguns in Illinois.

I travel quite a bit in the X, and keep a close eye on what states allow vehicle/carry firearms with a TX permit.

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1026394)

Unfortunately the state of Illinois is "micro managing" the "shall issue" policy.

The permits are ONLY allow residents to carry in the issuing county, if you don't get a Cook County permit, you can't carry in Chicago.

Reciprocity law now allows out of state permit holders to "car carry" handguns in Illinois.

I travel quite a bit in the X, and keep a close eye on what states allow vehicle/carry firearms with a TX permit.

Oh lame! I hadn't heard about the county-by-county piecemeal.

Sounds like Washington State knife laws. There are all sorts of conflicting laws city-by-city. For example, you can't carry a fixed-blade knife or knife with a longer blade than 3 1/2"in Seattle. But surrounding suburbs have no such law.

Good that Illinois has some amount of reciprocity. And you're probably aware of Utah and Florida permit reciprocity helping travelers out, right?

Well aware.

I hope for the best, prepare for the worst, and ALWAY follow the current handgun laws nationwide (has kept me alive and without legal issues for the last 30 yrs).

NJ Gun Law - Transporting Firearms within the State

I stumbled upon this thread and will add my observations and understanding of the gun laws in my state of New Jersey. As many of you are aware, New Jersey has some of the most stringent and, not necessarily well thought out gun laws. One good example is the requirements for transporting guns within the state of NJ, (as opposed to out-of-staters traveling through NJ with firearms). NJ gun law essentially is interpreted by many attorneys to mean that when transporting a firearm you must legally do all of the following:

Unloaded: The firearm must be unloaded, as in there must be no ammunition in the gun. NJ defines the word firearm meaning the actual gun, under current law, transportation of a loaded magazine would not be considered a loaded gun, but must not be in the gun.
Cased/Wrapped: If the vehicle has a defined trunk separate from the passenger compartment, the firearms are to put in the trunk. If no trunk is present, as in a SUV, the firearm must be in a fastened case/wrapped/etc. and located in the far back of the vehicle. Any ammunition must be is a separate container.
Destination: It is important to recognize that NJ dictates that your course of travel while transporting firearms should be as direct as possible, from your home to your gun club or range, without any stops in between, (i.e. getting something to eat at a fast-food restaurant, performing other errands, etc.)

Firearms ID Card: While not specifically addressed in the statutes, that I am aware of, I make sure that I have my NJ-issued Firearms ID card in my wallet when I am traveling to and from the range to practice. I take it a step further, and while not required, I have put a photocopy of each of my Pistol Purchase Permits with each of my pistols in their respective gun rugs that are in my range bag, just in case if I ever need to prove to a LEO that they are legally mine.

Firearms owned by NJ residents must be either originally or made: "NJ compliant". Under NJ law, possession of firearms is restricted to certain exemptions, and if you're within those exemptions there is nothing for the police to verify with regards to whether or not the firearm belongs to you or not. But much is left to the discretion of the particular LEO who may have stopped you for some other moving violation (i.e. speeding) or other type of infraction (i.e. burned out tail lamp, etc.)

To be clear, if I am ever stopped by a LEO while on my way to the range with guns in the back of my vehicle, I would NOT volunteer this information to him and would only reveal that fact if they directly ask me if I have firearms in my vehicle. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by volunteering this information if it is not solicited by the LEO and can only open up a potentially "Pandora's Box" of legal pitfalls.

People sometimes get in trouble because they are illegally possessing a firearm that is lawfully theirs, (for example: keeping a loaded handgun in their car without a carry license). The issue for a LEO to figure out when he stops you, (if they even care in the first place), is how and to where it's being transported, not if it's stolen or not - again unless they have a reasonable suspicion to think you are involved in some sort of other criminal activity. So my precautions are probably over the top, but I would rather follow them and be ready for various LEO's interpretation of the law and have some peace of mind.

AVB-AMG

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Originally Posted by TiAgX5 (Post 1026107)

As posted by rm2grow......

"Listen, I've owned an FAL and still own an old Ruger P90. I'm clearly not anti-gun. And like other gun owners, I've enjoyed weekly trips to the range and killing beer cans in MI. The problem is this: I just really thought I could be on a forum...an AUTO forum, for once and not have the "gotta' watch out for them evil gang bangers, keep em loaded boys" kind of conversation. In my opinion, it's usually "code talk" of a bunch of closeted supremacist further perpetuating the idea that "they" are a threat, all the time, everywhere and that dealing with complex societal problems is best done with bullets(hollow points or otherwise). "They" usually meaning "innately violent" people who don't look like us and threaten our "freedoms". There are more than enough places online to voice those opinions...all day friggin' long, if that's what you're into. I chimed in because I'm frustrated that these misguided, simple minded, concepts seem to work their way into just about every conversation these day. I'm tired of it. This isn't a gun or a "survivalist" forum, so not having to hear anymore of the BS, should be a reasonable request. I understand that, somewhat hypocritically, I've just contributed to it and that I've made some assumptions. So, my apologies. Now, how about we just squash this entire GUN and killing conversation and get back to talking, helping each other out, etc. regarding X5's. Pretty please..with a cherry on top. Besides, it seems like we've all got a common enemy - we call them stealerships and I believe that's why this thread was started. ;) "

You have MANY incorrect generalizations in this statement.

The purpose of C carry is protection, not "watching out for them evil gang bangers" and ""They" usually meaning "innately violent" people who don't look like us and threaten our "freedoms".
This is nothing more then profiling. A responsible citizen is not concerned with the appearance of the person posing the threat.

As for the "it's usually "code talk" of a bunch of closeted supremacist further perpetuating the idea that "they" are a threat, all the time, everywhere".
This is nothing more then your definition of those who choose to stand up and protect themselves, loved ones and property from unprovoked infringements on their rights and liberties.

As for "and that dealing with complex societal problems is best done with bullets(hollow points or otherwise)."
Nobody in their right mind can think for a second that complex societal issues can be resolved with deadly force, much less find it the BEST solution!

Glad to clear this up for you.:thumbup:

Well, I knew it was gonna be good after he proclaimed himself the proud owner of a Ruger P90 lol! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by g300d (Post 1033210)

Well, I knew it was gonna be good after he proclaimed himself the proud owner of a Ruger P90 lol! :rofl:

I bought a Ruger P89 back in the '80s, fired 2 full clips thru it and sold it for 1/2 purchase price. Got a Beretta 92FS, carried that for almost 2 decades!

I carry a SIG 227 45ACP now. If the open carry law passes here in TX, this is next......

Glock for almost 2 decades myself, but started and still have a soft spot for 1911's.

I wouldnt mind the Beretta or Sig at all though, nice guns, but that Deagle is massive!

If I had to carry that, it'll probably be with a sling lol!

I will only purchase if open carry passes in Austin.

Almost 11" LOA and 4.5 lbs.

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I'm all for everyone carrying one but at the same time open carry has to be not a very great idea. I mean sure you can feel safe having one and showing it but if you're alone and someone comes from behind and points a gun to your head and TAKES you gun... well eff, me.... there goes a $$$$$$$.... FML.