I am surprised to see no thread on the amish shooting

[X5Jay]

Originally Posted by WagnerX5

IMO society could learn a lot from the Amish. I watched a girl who had two of her cousins killed come out and say she forgives the killer and that the girls time was simply up. There was no anger, no screaming..no crying. Just understanding that life (so to speak) happens. One other cousin said he had no problem, nor would anyone else, with the wife of the killer coming to the funerals or staying in the town.

Well, I think I'm one of those who didn't learn a thing from this. If anyone ever killed one of my kids, there would be absolutely zero forgiveness on my part - not ever. If he didn't kill himself, I'd have done it for him. IMO - that's not "life happening", it's inexcusable murder. He was a sick bastard, period. Having said that, I'd not put any blame on the wife...

[blondboinsd]

By killing him it still wouldn't take the pain away and then you would be just as bad as him, I think if someone killed my parents or even my dog I'd have the overwhelming urge to make them feel extreme pain, be I would have the strength to stuck it to them in the big pen!

[X5Jay]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

By killing him it still wouldn't take the pain away -> (agree) and then you would be just as bad as him -> (disagree), I think if someone killed my parents or even my dog I'd have the overwhelming urge to make them feel extreme pain, be I would have the strength to stuck it to them in the big pen!

I'm a believer in capitol punishment for capitol crime...

[E61Silver]

Originally Posted by blondboinsd

By killing him it still wouldn't take the pain away and then you would be just as bad as him, I think if someone killed my parents or even my dog I'd have the overwhelming urge to make them feel extreme pain, be I would have the strength to stuck it to them in the big pen!

I agree the easy answer is to let your emotions flow, the bigger person is the one who can control your emotions. Its a basic part of being a human not just a animal driven by emotion.

[inlacal]

Originally Posted by GUINNESS

Well, this is going to be SUPER easy to explain simply by quoting my original post... which you must not have fully read. I bolded it this time so you can see it

Guiness: My apologies...I did miss that.

Cheers,
Chris

[GUINNESS]

No problem

[X5Jay]

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

I agree the easy answer is to let your emotions flow, the bigger person is the one who can control your emotions. Its a basic part of being a human not just a animal driven by emotion.

Well, realistically I probably wouldn't really kill him, but ONLY because I'd also go to jail for that. If I knew I wouldn't go to jail, I probably would. I believe it's OK to kill someone for purposely killing your kid just like it's OK to kill someone who is about to kill you - in that case you don't go to jail. Is that animal behavior? Should I be the bigger person and forgive him just before he pulls the trigger? The only difference is that your kid didn't have a chance to defend himself and it would just be after he pulled the trigger...

[Scottie]

Is it the "modern day and age" that things are more easy to get the news out

or is society and people turning evil

because when I was a kid growing up in the 60's/70's you sure didn't hear anything like what goes on in the world today. (and I'm not talking about wars)

Not really looking for a in depth discussion as I don't think I will ever understand what makes a person do this. More looking to respect and mention what these people are going through,

as for the press believe me you don't need to tell me about them saw it first hand in Dunblane.

Understanding and religion are beyond me at times My neighbour who was a Jehova's Witness his son was the young lad that got shot in th eye at Dunblane and they gave permission for him to get blood to save his life he was disowned by the Jehova's Witnesses afterwards.

Also something my Mum said to me after Dunblane was when she came out of the School.

That she will never forget the look on the parents face as they ran up to the Primary School shear terror on their face the vacant unbelievable expression
people we know the local butchers shop keepers etc etc their life changing for ever I've seen the aftermath ripping some families appart.

Yes maybe the world has moved forward from the 60's but to what cost and I often wonder is it for the better.

[ylwjacket]

Originally Posted by Scottie

Yes maybe the wrold has moved forward from the 60's but to what cost and I often wonder is it for the better.

Agreed, but all we can each do is try to leave our little corner of a little better place than it was we found it.

[asawadude]

I see two tongue in cheek remarks by Guiness and Inlacal and suddenly this becomes an oil discussion. Nice going, Eric. Try cutting down on the coffee.

The shooting incidents in U.S. schools is alarming. That's now 4 killings in 3 months.

* Oct. 2: A gunman took a group of girls hostage at a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania's Lancaster County, killing five, including two who died the next day. The shooter, Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, killed himself.

* Sept. 29: Fifteen-year-old Eric Hainstock brought two guns to a school in rural Cazenovia, Wis., and fatally shot the principal, a day after the principal gave him a disciplinary warning for having tobacco on school grounds, police said.

* Sept. 27: Duane Morrison, 53, took six girls hostage at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colo. Morrison sexually assaulted them and used them as human shields for hours before fatally shooting one girl and killing himself.

* Aug. 24: Christopher Williams, 27, went to an elementary school in Essex, Vt., looking for his ex-girlfriend, a teacher. He couldn't find her and fatally shot one teacher and wounded another, police said. Williams also killed his ex-girlfriend's mother, according to authorities. He shot himself twice in the head after the rampage and was arrested.

I respect the courage and conviction of the Amish people. By evenings end on the day of the incident, most of the Amish had given prayer and forgiveness to the shooter. A lot more of this world could certainly use a good dose of moral value.

One thing that I've always wondered - of all of the killers convicted, what percentage have a religious upbringing?

Was Charles Carl Roberts IV a church-goer? Was his grudge against the Amish way of life or did he bear a grudge against the school or a particular person associated with the school?

I guess we'll have to wait for the details to unfold.