The War - Page 5

cpatzer · #41 01-18-2007, 03:00 AM

The war in Afganistan was just and right.

Look, the war in Iraq was a HUGE MISTAKE. I knew this going in. All I could think was nooooooo... That said, we are where we are and the stakes are way too high to bail out now.

The only way we are going to truly create peace there is by brute force. That is all these people understand. We need 300,000 more troops in there to lock the place down. You can't just give people freedom all at once after they have lived under an iron fist.

We should have sent more troops like 3 years ago. Bush unfortunately was too fricken pig headed and one sided to understand that he may not be right. Now, finally he has admitted it, too little too late.

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xxx · #42 01-18-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

Yes, you are right, we didn't "KILL" Hitler. Hitler killed himself when we arrived at his doorstep. SAME DIFFERENCE....

And, in terms of losing every war we ever fought, if that were true, we would still be 13 colonies, not 50 states and, you would be speaking German or waiting in line for 6 hours for a loaf of bread..

B

p.s.
-- If your going to argue my points, at least "try" to make some valid arguements...

Your civil war dosent count becouse they were all Americans. You lost the war of 1812 and Hitler killed him self when the Russians were at his door step not Americans. I guess you lost that race as well. I dont know much about Korea but you lost Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Is that not valid enough?

xxx · #43 01-18-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Say what?

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Manipulating what the civilian population ingests as information in order to control their perception of reality. Isn't that a form of brainwashing.

ylwjacket · #44 01-18-2007, 05:16 PM

Oh, so the Russians ended WWII. What was I thinking. The US, I suppose, had nothing to do with it. About as big a role as Canada did, I guess.

Eric5273 · #45 01-18-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xxx

Manipulating what the civilian population ingests as information in order to control their perception of reality. Isn't that a form of brainwashing.

Yes, and it's certainly not something unique to the United States. It happens everywhere, some places more than others. The problem is that most people do not believe it happens to them.

Wagner · #46 01-18-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xxx

Your civil war dosent count becouse they were all Americans. You lost the war of 1812 and Hitler killed him self when the Russians were at his door step not Americans. I guess you lost that race as well. I dont know much about Korea but you lost Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Is that not valid enough?

love that, the war doesn't count because.....

As for the Russians were at his door...that was because he was getting TORCHED on every single front, the only door left was Russia. Had Germany not been in a fight with every other nation, Russia would have been lost to Germany.

As for Afghanistan and Iraq, definition of "winning" really depends on what your agenda was. If you defined winning in Iraq by removing Saddam...we won. If you consider winning in Afghanistan as removing the Taliban from power, we did that as well. If you define winning as coming in and creating stable peace loving countries that drink wine and collect art, then no...we didn't succeed....

poor US.

Eric5273 · #47 01-18-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ylwjacket

Oh, so the Russians ended WWII. What was I thinking. The US, I suppose, had nothing to do with it. About as big a role as Canada did, I guess.

The US role was huge in the Asian war, not as much in the European war. Just take a look at the number of casualties:

US Military Casualties: 407,300

Soviet Military Casualties: 10,700,000

(and half of the US casualties were in the Asian war)

The numbers tell the story here. Most of the German forces and most if their military power was on the Eastern front fighting the Russians.

While obviously the US/British invasion from the West was not an "easy" invasion due to the fact that the German military was superior to ours (in terms of technology and hardware), it was a cakewalk compared to the battle that went on in the East.

Overall there were 20+ times as many casualties (both sides included) in the war on the Eastern front than there were in the war on the Western front.

Wagner · #48 01-18-2007, 05:28 PM

Eric, BS pie chart bro. That was a direct result of Russia getting invaded and HAMMERED. Troop deaths could also be handed to Stalin who guided his military forces as well as a blind man running through a maze. Not to mention, Russia switched sides in the middle of the conflict, much like Italy.