just for you...

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Hitler was dead by the time American troops entered Berlin. They were still 50 miles out when he killed himself. The Russians entered Berlin many days before the American troops did, and they were a few hundred yards away from Hitler when he killed himself. There are plenty of WWII timelines online.....look at one.

And yes, the key to winning the war was to dismantle the German armed forces. The Russians took out over 4 million German soldiers, while the American forces took out less than 10% that number. There were very few surrenders, as the German commanders were instructed to never surrender.

90% of the European war was fought on the Eastern Front. All the elite and experienced German soldiers were in the East. The Western front was mostly 12-16 year olds in divisions called known as "Hitlerjugend", or "Hitler Youth".

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

I said it before, US forces held up as political agreements with Stalin.

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I can't agree with you if you say that Allied Armies offensive was the key factor that decided the WW2 in Europe.
Yes the Allied Armies contribution to win WW2 in Europe was important but the Red Army offensive was the key factor that decided the war in Europe.


I agree with you If you say that the Allied Armies (US troops) win WW2 in Asia and the Pacific.

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Did the Russian army liberate anything but their own lands for the most part? The deciding factor was not the Russian Army but Hitlers move to occupy Russia in 1941.


Just for some reading:
http://www.pattonuncovered.com/html/war.html <-- US Army ordered to halt.
http://www.pattonhq.com/textfiles/resign.html

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"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We have to pull out. Whether it is now, in one year, five year, never(to prove it was all for oil). Once we pull out, Iraq will rip itself apart from within. We went to Iraq based on whole bunch of BS premises. We demonstated an unforgivable ignorance of the countries' society, with its vast cultural, religious and ethnic differences. What we have now is an eye for an eye civil war. We cannot stop it. We do not know how to stop it. Asking Arab countries for help might not help since they are not that similar either. It is a very multifaceted part of the world- what we call Arab World.

The longer non arab troops stay in Iraq, the more of those troops and Iraquis are gonna get killed. Whoever says that pulling now does not do justice to over 3,000 US troops killed todate is being naive. The way we are going that number will doulble in no time with no visible progress in that coutry.

We, as a country, have messed up a big time. Current Iraqi government is IMPOTENT, even if it is democratically elected. We need to plead with Arab countries for their help in this war. But then we'll be giving up all the OIL.

You cannot change centuries and centuries of country's development with B-52s and thousand's of troop support.

Kent . Eric, you really did a lot of research.

Is not important for me to know who won the war (it wasn’t me, I wasn’t there). My grandmother lived during the war, many times she tell me stories of those times. My wife’s family escape from Germany to Spain during WW2 and because Francisco Franco dictatorship they escape into Portugal.

The most important facts of WW2 (for me) are:

- 50,000,000 Casualties (Military and Civilian)
-A free world (for some of us…). Don’t tell that to the people that where stuck in the Eastern bloc for decades.

I think we must respect the people that died fighting for what they believed.

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I would agree that we went in on BS and the simple military force will not win. I also would be of the same opinion that the Iraqi government is entirely useless.

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