An artist should get paid for his work !!!!! Just as a Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Network Administrator, Teacher, etc.. etc..

When an artist like Dave Matthews puts out a record, he has a lot of financial liability. He gets an ADVANCE from the record label which is spent on Producers, studio-time, music video's, etc. etc. which all cost a ton of money. The "Advance" is not a signing bonus, it is a amount of money that he is expected to pay back to the label for expenses. So, if he hets a $250,000 check to make the album, he owes the label that money back. And, if his work is stolen, he is responsible for coming up with it.

Now sure, we can say, but rock-stars make all this friggin money !! Well, they deserve too. They have a higer risk/reward than the average person, have suffered for their talent with no guarantees of success and being in the limelight requires them to live life a little differently.

Now, if the DM Band has to copyright their work to keep the file swappers from stealing their Intellectual Property, so be it. Is it a nuisance for people like Kevin and others, sure, of course it is, IT SUCKS to be honest..
But you can't blame the band. Blame the file sharers.
Otherwise it's like blaming BMW that we have to have alarms on our cars that we need to turn on and off because of car thieves and it's bmw's fault.

- And, let me just state, the RECORD INDUSTRY needs to do WHATEVER it can right now to protect itself. As will the film industry in the next few years. If it doesn't, the industry will cease to exist as we know it. So unless we want to sit around listening to Jethro (not TULL) playing Dueling Banjos by the fire, we must accept the fact that it is a business that is just trying to survive at the perils of theft and nothing more.

B

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Actually, doctors in the USA do not get paid fee for service. The only industry where big business insurance company and stinking government don't pay their fair share. The lawmakers are all bought off by big businesses to support the most insane ways of not paying doctors....

What field do you know that people get paid a percentage of the fees in 3-4 months (if at all). There is so many rules and regulations in getting your payment. The only way doctors survive these days is to be part of a huge group. We have to pay people to get our money these days.

Next time you see a frustrated physician, you'll see why. Capitated healthcare will not survive. The big businesses have been raping the healthcare system and now the consumers are paying for it. The typical CEO of insurance companies make as little as $5 million/yr to $30 million/yr (not counting their stock options). Thus, the quality of healthcare in the U.S. will further suffer and really, what is more important these days--hopefully it is the health of you and your family.

As expensive as pharmaceuticals are, the health insurance company and big businesses are the ones that are responsible for our healthcare crisis in the U.S.

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Agreed. A solution for many doctors, imaging centers, etc... is to finance their A/R. It is usually a win-win for all involved. (I do a bunch of this).

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I LIKE Jethro Tull...! I have indeed often sat around and listened to him.

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That makes two of us!


I also think that if they have a problem with the file swappers then go after the file swappers. If I am paying for a cd, then I have the right to listen to the music on my iPod. If people let the music industry walk all over their rights as consumers then the music industry will continue to do so. I will not purchase any more Dave Matthews music if they (or the Sony if thats there label) will limit how I can listen to the music I purchased. This is the same reason I will not purchase the new Coldplay album.

--Larry

Not at the expense of the consumer who spends money on the music industries product. Why give up our rights? If the music industry as we currently knows it does not survive then something else will crop up to replace it. Things always do.

I believe that a big part of the film industries problem is the cost of going to a movie. $10.25 per ticket, before any snacks, is way too much money.

--Larry

I disagree with some of this.

I don't think it's a bad thing for both the music and movie industries to change. I don't mean to say that business owners should not be able to seek profits, but they will have no choice but to adjust to consumer demand for their products. I believe the movie industry was concerned about the VCR (court challenges over fair use) and what it would do to the industry. Turns out that the video sales were great for the industry. Now the industry makes the same or more $$ off the video release than they did at the box office.

Is stealing music wrong? Absolutely. But we can credit it, or the industry's argument that file sharing has reduced sales (I'm skeptical until I see the data), with forcing the industry to think about changing a business model that wasn't very friendly to the consumer or the artist -- consumers now can pay less at iTunes and at a retail store (the industry used to withold advertising dollars from the Circuit City's of the world in order to keep prices high -- I believe the Justice Dept. stepped in on that one), up and coming artists (Jethro) can post/sell his music on his own website, and maybe established artists have a little more leverage in negotiating with major labels.

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Man, $10 for a movie ticket. That is crazy.

You would not think that if you saw all the time/money/work that actually went into making a movie. For every minute of on screen time you see, there is MONTHS of work behind it on the backs of writers, agents, producers, directors, actors, -- Not to mention the entire city of Los Angeles.

- Movies have become so expensive to make, unions, advertising and marketing, etc. And what you forget to account for is, only a small percentage ever hit the cineplex in your local mall.
- It is not unheard of a distribution company making 10-20 movies a year and only making a profit on one or two. So the profit of those blockbusters that you pay to see in the theater subsidizes the cost of many, many, other films that you may or may not ever see.

It took Clint Eastwood over 5 years to get Million Dollar Baby made and it was a relatively low budget at under 30 Million. And, even when you hear about the $20 million dollar paycheck for a Bruce Willis, etc. That actor is only taking home about 30% of their paycheck. Granted that is still alot of money, and there is a lot of money to be made in the entertainment business, but you don't often hear the stories of the companies that put EVERYTHING on the line for a movie or two.

Is $10 really that much to pay to see a movie that has cost over $200 million to make (not including advertising.) So much is spent to get you in that seat, it does need to be recouped.. And what about all the movies that hit the cineplex that you didn't see.

It is a very, very, complicated business. And because there is no absolute formula for success, a lot of bad films are paid for by the successful ones.

Just to go back to the original arguement, when you buy a CD, that is what you are buying, a CD. No where in the sales agreement does it say that you are buying the use of the intellectual property in what ever way you see fit. We take for granted that in the past, we have made tapes, stored on computers, and used it in whatever way we see fit. But since that has effected the business model because of theft, it needs to somehow correct.

I have friends who work in the music industry, if you read the trades, you will see, thousands are being let go on a yearly basis. I am not saying you are wrong, but until there is a solution to the problem, the industry has been reduced to trying to save it's own butt.
- And think of all the free music you still get, RADIO, INTERNET....
- And, record companies do not make money when an artist tours, they make money on the sale of the media, the CD, the download from Itunes, etc. They are not infringing on your rights.. They are protecting their product, as would any other business.

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