Ohhhhhh, Eric.. That's just salacious. Please find, anywhere on this board, that I have said, "I'm against tax money going to pay for health care for my fellow Americans."
- I'm all for health reform.
And the US gives a ton of money to lots of other countries besides Israel.

Secondly, assuming your right, that Israeli's have a higher standard of living and a higher average median family income, - I'm a little surprised that you would use that as evidence for your support to end financial aid to Israel.
1) They are our closest ally in the M.E.
2) They have a higher standard of living and median family income because, Jews have ALWAYS stressed the importance of education and career in the household. - This has ALWAYS been the factor that has helped our culture survive from slavery to Inquistions, from holocaust to the desired destruction of the state of Israel. From the repeated Pogrom's around the world. -

Do you forget that the US and almost every other EU country including Britin, France, Poland, Germany, Russia, etc. - after the holocaust, left concentration camp survivors in camps because they would not take them as citizens. - That the country of Israel was formed because no one knew what else to do with the "survivors" who were routinely killed, after the holocaust, when they tried to return to their home villages.

Do you forget that a 2 state system was introduced in 1947 and the Palestanians rejected it and refused to negotiate?

Do you forget that Israel occupied areas that the Palestanians rejected, only after Lebanon, Egypt, Iraw, Syria attacked Israel?

Do you forget during the Desert Storm, when Saddam Hussein and the Iraq army launched Scud Missles at Israel, who had absouletely nothing to do with the conflict?

Do you forget that, any and all of the leaders of the Palestanian people, refuse to accept Israel as a state?

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Ouch....

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"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And Eric,

Just to be further clear. I do not, not for one second, think that Israel is above reproach.
They do a lot of horrible things to the Palestanians. I wish sometimes that Israel could take back some of the things it has done, in an effort to protect itself.
But until you live in a place that is surrounded by hostile enemies that (for the most part) want nothing more than your total destruction, I don't think it's right to try to insinuate that the reason there is not 2 states is because of the policies of the US or Israel.

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Do you also forget Eric, that since YOU are Jewish, Israel will openly accept you as a citizen, at any time.. And even give you money to come and be a citizen.
And will extend their health care to you, an American/Israeli..

I know your not religious.. And neither am I.. But if and when they day does come that your Jewish ass is "transfered, moved, "relocated" Guess which country is going to be the only one that will welcome you with open arms. - It will be the country whose people I would like to think, you have helped support.

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Everything you say here is true. Except this one statement. I did not "forget" this. In fact, this is news to me. Care to give some of the details. My recollection of the many books I have read on the Six Day War in 1967 is that Israel attacked Egypt to start the war, and then attacked Syria and Jordan shortly afterwards, and even attacked a United States Naval Ship killing most of the crew during this short war.

Just because I am Jewish does not mean I condone evil behavior by other Jews. Yes, I think Israel has a right to exist, and should exist. But the way they went about forming the state, and the way they went about expanding the state were both very wrong. Uprooting 500,000 civilians from their homes by force in 1947, and then not allowing those people to return to their homes, was not an acceptable way to form a Jewish state. Palestine had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. If anyone should have been uprooted from their homes to form a Jewish State, it should have been some Germans.

I know you think having Israel helps us as Jews, but Israel's behavior over the years has actually caused an increase in anti-sematism. After the Holocaust, Jews were seen as victims and there was good will received from countries all over the world. It is not true that none of the other countries would take them. More Jews came to the United States after the Holocaust than went to Israel, and many many thousands went to other countries such as Britain and Brazil. But in the same way our government's behavior has squandered any good will we received after the 9/11 attacks, Israel over the years has squandered any good will Jews received after the Holocaust. Most of the people in the world no longer see Jews as victims but instead see the Palestineans as the victims, and the Jews as the abusers.

I'll also add that it is a shame that most of the world relate Israel's behavior to the behavior of all Jews, and that criticism of Israel is considered a form of anti-Sematism.

As for your statement above when did you say "I'm against tax money going to pay for health care for my fellow Americans." The entire discussion of another thread the past few days has been based on that subject, and you along with most of the others have argued that you don't want your tax money to go for free health care for everyone -- the same system they have in Israel and ALL other industrialized countries in the world. Instead, you guys insist that all the other countries are wrong and our system, the same system used by most of the countries in Africa and the third world, is actually the better system. I certainly disagree.

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