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Old 02-21-2008, 11:01 AM
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nice PS90, Wish I could buy one here. I used to have a Five-Seven but sold it. Ammo too expensive

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Old 02-21-2008, 11:41 AM
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Helluva collection, svh!
Makes my lil'batch look like a starter set, lol!
Great pics, fineazz weapons, imo.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:55 PM
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i dont have any pics of what i have but... heres a list... colt .45, Berreta .380, couple .22.. 30 carbine, ar15.. next one i want to get is a sniper rifle or a .50 caliber lol... that thing just looks cool..
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:11 PM
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Anyone into Sigs ? I just bought a Sig P226 Equinox. I'll post pics when I pick it up, damn 10 day wait. It sucks here in CA because we are very limited as to what to get. BTW whats up with the price of ammo lately!! They're skyrocketing like mad.
Damn! I thought I was into Sigs! You sure are loyal to the brand! I think you have just about one of everything except... P210. So I think you need to buy those too. :p I've got a few Sigs and I would LOVE a Sig 1911. Oh, and you need a Sig P250. You never got into the P239?

Ammo is getting more expensive due to manufacturers having to fulfill military contracts. Not only has price gone up but supplies are getting low. Even law enforcement orders are getting delayed.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:40 PM
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I own a few firearms too. Nothing too exotic... yet. Just a couple of AR15s, a .45, a 9mm. Thinking about buying an AK47 and perhaps another AR in the future...

My personal view of gun control? Good gun control means being able to hit your target.

Seriously, though:
- I'm opposed to waiting periods. If you have waiting periods for firearms because they are "dangerous items" then why not also have waiting periods for purchasing other things-- steak knives, cars, baseball bats, etc. Used improperly these objects can also kill people (and I'd wager a bet that more people were killed by cars last year than by firearms).

- I'm opposed to excessive background checks. The current system is somewhat acceptable, but still can take too long. The last time I purchased a handgun I had to wait a couple of hours for the approval to come back from Virginia (all of VA's gun sales go through the VA State Police for background checks IIRC). There should be a maximum time limit of 15 minutes; having to wait longer is just simply inconvenient.

- I'm opposed to limiting the types of weapons that people can buy and own. Bad guys on the street who want automatic weapons already have ways of getting their hands on them. I seriously doubt they're deterred by a law that says "you're a bad person if you own on of these". They're already bad guys and they know it. The only thing that these types of laws do is limit and punish us law abiding citizens. It makes no sense to punish people who are doing the right thing, especially when having these laws makes little to no difference to people who are doing the wrong things.

- I'm opposed to limiting the number of firearms a person can own, or limiting the number of firearms a person can buy in a given time period. Virginia has some rather dumb laws in this area that limit the number of weapons a person can buy in a 30 day (I think) time period. Of course, given the political climate in Virginia this isn't likely to change soon (we've had to suffer through two Democrats as governors-- neither of which have done a reasonable job limiting taxes or helping the citizens... but I digress... just remember that Kaine isn't Able...)

Rather than passing laws that limit what law abiding people can own/do/buy, our legislatures should be spending time trying to figure out what can be done to deter and prevent crime. Give our law enforcement agencies more resources. Provide good examples of desirable character traits-- like honesty, responsibility, and integrity. Allow children to be properly disciplined in schools-- this includes things like bringing back spanking in those nutty places that have outlawed it. Come up with ways to force parents to take some responsibility in raising their children.

OK, getting off the soapbox now...
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I own a few firearms too. Nothing too exotic... yet. Just a couple of AR15s, a .45, a 9mm. Thinking about buying an AK47 and perhaps another AR in the future...

My personal view of gun control? Good gun control means being able to hit your target.

Seriously, though:
- I'm opposed to waiting periods. If you have waiting periods for firearms because they are "dangerous items" then why not also have waiting periods for purchasing other things-- steak knives, cars, baseball bats, etc. Used improperly these objects can also kill people (and I'd wager a bet that more people were killed by cars last year than by firearms).

- I'm opposed to excessive background checks. The current system is somewhat acceptable, but still can take too long. The last time I purchased a handgun I had to wait a couple of hours for the approval to come back from Virginia (all of VA's gun sales go through the VA State Police for background checks IIRC). There should be a maximum time limit of 15 minutes; having to wait longer is just simply inconvenient.

- I'm opposed to limiting the types of weapons that people can buy and own. Bad guys on the street who want automatic weapons already have ways of getting their hands on them. I seriously doubt they're deterred by a law that says "you're a bad person if you own on of these". They're already bad guys and they know it. The only thing that these types of laws do is limit and punish us law abiding citizens. It makes no sense to punish people who are doing the right thing, especially when having these laws makes little to no difference to people who are doing the wrong things.

- I'm opposed to limiting the number of firearms a person can own, or limiting the number of firearms a person can buy in a given time period. Virginia has some rather dumb laws in this area that limit the number of weapons a person can buy in a 30 day (I think) time period. Of course, given the political climate in Virginia this isn't likely to change soon (we've had to suffer through two Democrats as governors-- neither of which have done a reasonable job limiting taxes or helping the citizens... but I digress... just remember that Kaine isn't Able...)

Rather than passing laws that limit what law abiding people can own/do/buy, our legislatures should be spending time trying to figure out what can be done to deter and prevent crime. Give our law enforcement agencies more resources. Provide good examples of desirable character traits-- like honesty, responsibility, and integrity. Allow children to be properly disciplined in schools-- this includes things like bringing back spanking in those nutty places that have outlawed it. Come up with ways to force parents to take some responsibility in raising their children.

OK, getting off the soapbox now...

I hear you on most of those points. Here in CA we've simply gotten used to the restrictions. It sucks, but it's reality. I never thought there'd come a day when AR-15's would be banned. I remember being in a gun store I'd frequent and the guys kept trying to sell my a Colt CAR-15. I kept say "no, not now, later". Well, sure enough, they got banned. (I'm not saying whether I bought one before the ban though. )

Waiting periods are a reality and I think the purpose is to do a background check and to let someone "cool off" in the event that he/she is getting the gun for a nefarious purpose. Two problems: We're seeing that background checks don't detect mental illness or a history of psychiatric treatment. The other problem is that those bent on killing someone can probably wait 10, 15, 20 days. The VT and NIU shooters were not impulsive killers. They planned and waited. (The mental issue comes up in these cases.) How many people in the heat of the moment, drunk and high, in an argument kill someone with a knife or blunt object? Plenty. They're not going to sober up, go to the gun store, buy a gun and wait. So the goal of them "cooling off" is moot.

On a side note: If you buy an AK make sure you buy a good one. There are too many junk ones out there. Try to get a forged receiver rather than a stamped one and avoid Chinese AK's unless they're top quality. I may or may not have a Chinese KBI AK and it's not great. (Not all stamped weapons are bad. I believe that most of H&K's subguns and rifles are stamped and they are awesome. It's all about the quality of manufacturing.)
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:13 PM
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I am curious why so many gun owners are so quick to excuse their potentially politically incorrect status by pointing out that they only have guns to shoot paper targets, and they store their guns safely, etc. Also, if you wish to own 10 expensive cars, no one rags you for owning too many, or slyly suggests you are a complete nut job.

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with target shooting, bird hunting, or collecting historical tools. Although I do all those things, I keep weapons to defend my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness from all who wish to take them from me and mine.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:29 PM
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Guys, come on. Again, I am a gun owner. Not just a gun owner but a multiple gun owner.
Can you really tell me that waiting 10 days for a gun is so bad. It seriously reminds me of the Homer Simpson skit when Homer is screaming at the gun salesman that he wants his weapon NOW...

As far as extensive background checks, they should be more in-depth. They should be more difficult and more restrictive. The values you are putting on gun ownership, lets say they were to put those values on all sorts of ownership and testing... Lets say there was no restriction on who can drive cars. Let's say there was no road test, no written test.
The road test and written tests for driving should be much stricter. Or what if people didn't need a pilots license to fly a plane?

As a multiple gun owner, I think that everything we can do to limit and restrict the guns and gun owners, to those people who are willing to jump through some small hoops, will further make sure that the guns that are out there, are in the hands of people who know how to handle them and are sound enough.

And some weapons should be restricted to police and military... If you want to go shoot a machine gun, fine, go to your local recruiter and sign up.. You'll get all the free ammo you want.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:29 PM
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I'm an owner of a Glock 23C .40 calibur.....I love it...Just be responsible people, its that simple...

Furthermore...in kansas, you don't have to wait 10 days. I walked into the gun store (right by the BMW dealership) gave them my info, and walked out with the Glock (after i used their shooting range to fire off about 250 rounds). That was 2 years ago. But I don't think the law has changed for a 10 day waiting period here since then.

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Old 02-21-2008, 03:52 PM
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In Virginia we don't have a 10 day waiting period. There are instant background checks... In most cases a response is returned in minutes, but in my case the last couple of times I purchased weapons I had to wait a couple of hours.

While I can see your point, B-Line, I still disagree with it. Having to wait for more than 15 minutes for a background check is unacceptable in my book. If the authorities can't process your request in that amount of time then they need to get out of the way and let the purchase go through. But then again I usually tend to value convenience over security.

The intent behind the second amendment, IMHO, is to allow for an armed populace that is capable of defending themselves. Having waiting periods, extensive background checks, stringent requirements, and limitations on the types and numbers of weapons that can be purchased interferes with and hinders this objective. I can perhaps see requiring a person to attend an NRA-sponsored firearms safety course before purchasing their first firearm (thus creating a barrier to entry)-- this is something we have to do in VA prior to applying for a CCW. But requiring much beyond this safety course and an instant background check is going too far, is too intrusive, and should not be permitted.
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