Pending Gun Control Legislation ? - Page 4

The Cleaner · #31 03-02-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Care to explain why the robbery rates in our country are much higher than those in countries in Europe where handguns are more difficult to come by?

How do you make a connection between gun ownership and increased robbery rates. How do you make that jump with so many other factors in play?

For starter many other countries that have restrictions on guns put Thief's to death, others cut off hands or lock them up in prisons that are so terrible most American prisons look like a resort. They have more deterrent than America.

Of the more 1st world countries Gun ownership is not part of the culture. In countries such as Germany you will find pellet guns are very common and they will blow a hole in you better than a .22.

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JVegas · #32 03-02-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Care to explain why the robbery rates in our country are much higher than those in countries in Europe where handguns are more difficult to come by?

are you talking about...If its so much safer there, pack your bags and move.

Wagner · #33 03-02-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JVegas

Glocks are the most reliable -- but you could always go with HK...I'm partial to the .40 caliber -- stopping power is a lot better that the 9mm.

Had the Glock and the HK, go with a HK45

Eric5273 · #34 03-02-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cleaner

How do you make a connection between gun ownership and increased robbery rates. How do you make that jump with so many other factors in play?

You made the connection by bringing up the issue of robbing a house, not me. I was actually pointing out that there was no connection at all.

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Originally Posted by The Cleaner

For starter many other countries that have restrictions on guns put Thief's to death, others cut off hands or lock them up in prisons that are so terrible most American prisons look like a resort. They have more deterrent than America.

Punishments are more lenient in Europe, and the death penalty is banned in the entire European Union. Just as availability of weapons has no connection to crime rates, neither does punishment. Study after study has shown that harsh punishments have no effect in lowering crime rates. In fact, the states with the highest murder rates all have the death penalty, and some of the states with the lowest murder rates do not have the death penalty.

Crime is a result of social conditions. You will lower crime rates by fixing social problems, not by changing the justice system or by banning weapons. Lower poverty rates and you will decrease crime. Increase high school graduation rates and you will decrease crime...etc.

The Cleaner · #35 03-02-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

No sense in arguing with Utopia boy

Ok Ok, I should have listened.

Wagner · #36 03-02-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cleaner

Ok Ok, I should have listened.

You can't argue with him

vegasX5 · #37 03-02-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Crime is a result of social conditions. You will lower crime rates by fixing social problems, not by changing the justice system or by banning weapons. Lower poverty rates and you will decrease crime. Increase high school graduation rates and you will decrease crime...etc.

Ok this statement I can agree with. Crime is indicative of social issues -however, crime will not necessarily be affected by the changing of or increasing of punishment for violating rules. That said, why do you or anyone else for that matter assume that if this legislation passes crime rates will change when acquiring weapons becomes more difficult? I think the more realistic effect will be a government keeping much closer tabs on those citizens who happen to actually to abide by the law and finding more obtrusive ways to control their decisions - all the while making it easier to add more and taxes along the way.

Eric5273 · #38 03-02-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vegasX5

...why do you or anyone else for that matter assume that if this legislation passes crime rates will change when acquiring weapons becomes more difficult?

I don't see it as a bad thing for all handguns to be registered properly to real people with a known address. If we can all register our cars, then certainly guns can be the same way. Certainly anyone in law enforcement can realize the benefit of this.

Just as someone with a suspended license would not be allowed to register a car, someone who has a criminal record should not be allowed to register a gun. And just as that doesn't stop some people from driving an unregistered car without a license, some criminals will still find a way to purchase a gun illegally. But it will certainly make it more difficult, and expensive, for them to do so.

Do I think it will cause a dramatic decrease in crime? No. That is not my reason for being in favor or such laws. And just to be clear, I did not read the entire bill, so I'm not even sure I am in favor it this particular legislation. But in general, I think it is far too easy to purchase a gun in some states under current laws.

Weasel · #39 03-02-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JVegas

Glocks are the most reliable -- but you could always go with HK...I'm partial to the .40 caliber -- stopping power is a lot better that the 9mm.

I already have a sig sauer .40 cal, love it. (p229) I'm looking for a real smooth shooting full sized 9mm for a range gun. Just remembered I have friends with beretta's, HK's, XD's, and glocks... might have to set up a range day for the group.

And Wagner, the HK45 is on my list, but I want the 9mm first for some reason... probably because I'm training my mother and ex girlfriend at the range, and think the 9mm will be better than the compact 40 for that.

mrkbbd · #40 03-02-2009, 09:57 PM

This is prompting me to go buy a few guns next week, I think I'm going to get a HK .45 compact tactical and a .40 Glock with an in-barrel laser

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