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Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Bottom line. Israel is responding to being provoked and attacked by radicals who have threatened to kill every last Jew and they will not rest until Israel no longer exists.

If Hamas and the dozen other terrorist Islamic groups decided they had enough of the bloodshed and vowed to work together for a better Middle-East the entire region would inch toward the 20th century instead of being stuck in their twisted 14th century mindset.

If on the other-hand they do nothing and Israel announces that they are done with the bloodshed and lay down their arms what do you think the response would be from Radical Islam?

I'll tell you...Praise Allah, Death to Israel.

How about some intellectual honesty from those of you who condemn Israel and support Hamas and the actions of other militant Islamic groups.

If Hamas stops all violence and threats Israel will stop and ease the restriction in place to protect them. If Israel stops the violence from Hamas will escalate.

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Originally Posted by jigaro

So i have a question, What if Arab world decides that having palestinian people as scapegoats for the rest of the world to see and making Israel look bad cause it kills arabs(palestinians) What if arab nations decide enough is enough and abliterate Israel? Just attack it full force, what will America do than? Or UN? Thats where we should not get, especially if Iran gets involved, and Russia helps Iran.

LOL...

Jig, you need to do a little research: The Arab world tried it in 1948, then again in 1967 (though Israel did a preemptive strike that succeeded in knocking out most Egypts airforce, shortly before they were to strike.)

Then to add insult to injury. The Arab world attacked Israel a third time on the holiest of Jewish holidays, Yum Kippur in 1973. (The third time an Arab coalition attacked Israel on several fronts...)

In all three wars, Israel kicked the ass of the enemies.

And that was before nuclear proliferation...

If the Arab world is even near successful in destroying Israel, with no uncertainty, there will be a full and unequaled nuclear retaliation that will result in nothing less than the total obliteration of all of Israel's enemies.

And that is probably one of the few reasons why we haven't seen a MAJOR war since 1973. If Israel loses, EVERYBODY dies.

[jigaro]

Originally Posted by B-Line

LOL...

Jig, you need to do a little research: The Arab world tried it in 1948, then again in 1967 (though Israel did a preemptive strike that succeeded in knocking out most Egypts airforce, shortly before they were to strike.)

Then to add insult to injury. The Arab world attacked Israel a third time on the holiest of Jewish holidays, Yum Kippur in 1973. (The third time an Arab coalition attacked Israel on several fronts...)

In all three wars, Israel kicked the ass of the enemies.

And that was before nuclear proliferation...

If the Arab world is even near successful in destroying Israel, with no uncertainty, there will be a full and unequaled nuclear retaliation that will result in nothing less than the total obliteration of all of Israel's enemies.

And that is probably one of the few reasons why we haven't seen a MAJOR war since 1973. If Israel loses, EVERYBODY dies.

You mention 3 examples and plus lough, you must also know today situation is different, i say this after doing a research.
You think only Israel has Nucs? If you think that you are naive.
Russia and Iran are doing everything they can to unbalance Israel and America, thats why this is dangerous.
It's funny how you mention that if everyone attacks Israel they will retaliate with Nucs, SO OH THATS GREAT LETS JUST ALL FUCKING DIE IN THIS REGION CAUSE SOME FUCKING COUNTRY DECIDES TO DRAG EVERYONE ELSE IN ITS MISERY OF SURVIVAL, stupid direction to take.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by jigaro

You mention 3 examples and plus lough, you must also know today situation is different, i say this after doing a research.
You think only Israel has Nucs? If you think that you are naive.
Russia and Iran are doing everything they can to unbalance Israel and America, thats why this is dangerous.
It's funny how you mention that if everyone attacks Israel they will retaliate with Nucs, SO OH THATS GREAT LETS JUST ALL FUCKING DIE IN THIS REGION CAUSE SOME FUCKING COUNTRY DECIDES TO DRAG EVERYONE ELSE IN ITS MISERY OF SURVIVAL, stupid direction to take.

Jigaro the only reason US supports Israel is apparently some rich lobbyists...anything other than that...

Since 1949 we have given Israel a Grand Total of $84,854,827,200

We all know what to expect from Hamas...violence and BS ...but Israel? to fight back like this in this manner?? that is not right...& more people die, while we sit here and wonder why everyone is protesting Israel...

They are complaining that things are being smuggled ( from guns to car batteries) in into Gaza...well WTF do you expect them to do when all borders are closed...

Hamas is succeeding in doing one thing...and that is making Israel look bad...

[jigaro]

Don't get me wrong i'am far from supporting Hammas, don't care for violence and these types of organizations, but common this shit is getting annoying, don't force rest of the world to feel aggressive towards you, and to feel unsimpathetic by being ubnoxious and reising hell every once in a while, and oh wait can't do shit to me cause i have nucs, that is sick, cause Israel should realize there are sivilizations arround israel in 4-5 thousend mile radius and by being irrisponsible and havin survivomania it's getting old and everyone is tired of it

[B-Line]

Originally Posted by jigaro

You mention 3 examples and plus lough, you must also know today situation is different, i say this after doing a research.
You think only Israel has Nucs? If you think that you are naive.
Russia and Iran are doing everything they can to unbalance Israel and America, thats why this is dangerous.
It's funny how you mention that if everyone attacks Israel they will retaliate with Nucs, SO OH THATS GREAT LETS JUST ALL FUCKING DIE IN THIS REGION CAUSE SOME FUCKING COUNTRY DECIDES TO DRAG EVERYONE ELSE IN ITS MISERY OF SURVIVAL, stupid direction to take.

Jig,

There are a couple of fundamental issues you are clearly missing:
1) Israeli enemies (The majority of the Middle East) does not want peace. They want the total destruction of Israel. Palestine is nothing more than their excuse.

2) The potential use of Nukes is probably the one thing that has allowed Israel to survive and has also been a deterrent to attacks since it's proliferation.

3) Yes, if Israel is destroyed, It can and should take all their enemies with them. Anything less than a full out, nuclear attack destroying all of it's enemies, would further encourage it's enemies to attack. Israeli policy on defense is, you kill one of ours, we kill two of yours.
-- Are you suggesting that Israel should just allow it's hostile neighbors to destroy it because you're tired of watching the conflict on the news?

4) Israel isn't dragging anyone into the fray that hasn't either directly attacked it, indirectly attacked it, supported terrorism, etc. Last time I checked, every country Israel has warred with his either:
A) Already attacked Israel.
B) Has openly stated and supported the attacks on Israel.

But maybe it would just be easier for you if the Palestinians started a Nazi party and then threw all the Jews in the oven with the help of Lebanon, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and all their other neighbors..
-- Just like the Germans, the French, The Polish, The Austrians, The Russians and everyone else did some sixty years ago..

Never Again my little little friend Jig... And if that means retaliation using any and all weapons necessary, SO BE IT...

Israel doesn't really care what you think. To be honest, neither do I. I just post here so other people who might not understand what Israel must do to survive, can read this and get some understanding of what it means to survive in a world where the term, HOLOCAUST or POGROM or INQUISITION or Arab-Israeli conflict actually has some meaning, other than what you watch on the news.

[B-Line]

p.s. - Did you know in the UK last week there were protests against the movie "Defiance".

A movie about a bunch of Jews during WWII who decided to stand up for themselves, attack their enemies who were killing them and started communities in the woods to protect themselves..

Can someone please explain to me what there is to protest? The fact that Jews survived? Or that they counter-attacked the people who were committing genocide?

Maybe you would just like it better if Israel "turned the other cheek"...

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Do you also realize that Hamas has stated, that even if Israel gave them EVERYTHING they wanted (the obvious exception being the destruction of Israel.) - That Hamas has said, they still would not recognize the right to a Jewish state under any circumstances.. And if there should be a treaty that said treaty would only be a 10 year cease fire. Then the Arab-Muslim population would again start attacking the Jewish state.

In other words, Hamas says, give us everything we want and we'll give you 10 more years.. Then our children will finish you.

-- Maybe all us Jews should just get in a straight line so that way the firing squad has to only waste one bullet.. Would that make you happy?

[pski215]

i refuse to argue with eric or anyone else anymore I honestly could not care the world opinion of Israel anymore aslong as my family and country are safe. I am however going to post some quotes from various forums i go on.

If you look at every pro Palestinian rally anywhere around the world you would see the savages with posters "death to Israel", "Jews go back to oven", "Death to all jews", "Death to america", "Hitler didn't finish the job" etc... Should be enough to tell you the caliber of the scum that assembles there, so dont be surprised to see the svastikas and other symbols like that. If you look at any pro Israeli rally, youll never see anyone chanting death to anything, they just assemble to show support for Israel and not demand someones untimely end.

Originally Posted by Sideline
If the BS PR (Untruths) wasn't a factor to sway the world, I wonder if Hamas would feel proud enough to continue. They seem to admit in public, that they are winning, by showing how Israel causes a "waterfall of blood". Why don't people see Hamas putting its own people under Israels sword? In the name of Peace? For the people of Islam, or against the people of Judaism by destroying the symbol that is Israel? Why so confusing to see the INTENTIONS of the choices made by Radical Islam?

If Hamas comes and knocks on the door of your apartment and says, "Hey, we're storing a bunch of rockets in the basement, would you please take your family and go up on the roof so the Israeli bombers will see you and not bomb the building" then no I don't think I'm being harsh to say that the civilians have become participants in the battle.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/wo...s.html?_r=1&hp
"A new Israeli weapon, meanwhile, is tailored to the Hamas tactic of asking civilians to stand on the roofs of buildings so Israeli pilots will not bomb." NY Times

I would also like to quote Israel's first female prime minister.

We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us - Golda Meir

and with saying that I would like to say Hamas deliberately harms Israel civilians while Israel does everything in its power to avoid killing civilians but using this analogy I am going to explain it for all of you.(minus eric because he thinks 9/11 was an inside job) On 9/11 if a fighter jet spotted one of the hijacked planes they were ordered to fire which would kill the innocent civilians on the plane, however it would prevent the plane from either crashing into the Pentagon or White house which would kill more innocents (yes I know the Pentagon was a military target). Now would you rather the fighter pilot fire on the aircraft or kill numerous innocents and leave the country in shambles on the ground? Now lets put this in the IDF perspective. On a patrol inside Gaza your unit is walking to its objective and you come across a militant who and want to engage the where you are taking contact from but there are civilians standing with him who for some odd reason are not running. Would you A) put you and your unit at risk by not firing and instead getting dead. or would you B) fire but not spray which means to fire at the who is engaging you and not sporadically in that general direction hoping to not kill the innocents surrounding.

I personally would choose option B. Obviously there is something wrong when a group of civilians are standing with an armed individual who is about to be engaged by one of the best armies in the world. If I was standing with him I would be out. That's just me though and I am sure if they wanted to run they would be shot dead by Hamas.

I would also like to leave you with a link.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-...rael+Since.htm

Those are just attacks post 1993, that is not even including numerous rocket attacks. I have videos with evidence of that PRE-LATE 2008 Gaza conflict.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by pski215

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Hamas deliberately harms Israel civilians while Israel does everything in its power to avoid killing civilians

1st true...2nd I don't know about that...look how disproportionate the numbers are for Palestine compared to Israel deaths....I am not saying Israel is killing civilians on purpose, but with this many casualties they are far from getting anymore support. Look around the world...this is not the answer to stop the violence there...