Jewish protest

[Eric5273]

Good article.

[LobsterX]

Originally Posted by Dannyell

It could have been done in ways in which would not attracted so much protest around the world and with less casualties...

If I were an Israeli leaving in Israel, I really dont give a rat's rump what the rest of the world thinks of us fighting to survive and not get annihilated. If the tables were turned and all of us here in the states living in our comfy homes and driving X5's and enjoying peace and prosperity and freedom, suddenly wake up in Israel in the middle of all this, I don't think we would care what the rest of the world thinks! A man's gotta do what he's gotta do, and I respect Israel for that.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by LobsterX

If I were an Israeli leaving in Israel.....

And what would you do if you were a Palestinean living in Gaza?

[pski215]

i would have voted for a government that would not attack a sovereign nation...

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by pski215

i would have voted for a government that would not attack a sovereign nation...

I agree 100%! Clearly you didn't vote for George W. Bush then! (Iraq, Liberia, Haiti)


But as we know, in a democracy we each only have one vote. I guess the more important question is this:

If your government (which you did not vote for but the majority of your fellow citizens did) did indeed attack a sovereign nation, and that nation responded back with deadly force that resulted in the death of one of more family members, would you blame your own government, or would you blame the country that attacked you?

[pski215]

depends what the reason of attack was. If we just blatantly launched an attack then yes i would blame the government, HOWEVER you must realize sovereign nations fight on a battle field not behind their civilians, that is the problem with fighting terrorists such as the insurgents in Iraq and Gaza aswell as Lebanon in 2006, and if you had an Military knowledge you would understand that however you just want to side with any conspiracy theory that pops up when you open your email.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by pski215

.....HOWEVER you must realize sovereign nations fight on a battle field not behind their civilians, that is the problem with fighting terrorists such as the insurgents in Iraq and Gaza as well as Lebanon in 2006.....

I'll add a few more to your list:

1) French resistance fighting the Nazis during WWII

2) Viet Cong fighting the French in the 1950s and later on the Americans in the 1960s and 1970s

3) Mujahadeen fighting the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s

4) Irgun (the Zionist Jewish rebels in Palestine) fighting against the British in the 1940s

5) African National Congress fighting the Apartheid governments in South Africa and Rhodesia (Zimbabwe)


It's called guerrilla warfare, and many groups you both approve of and don't approve of have done it. When you don't like them, you call them terrorists, and when you do like them, you call them freedom fighters. It involves surprise attacks on your enemy and on the establishment in order to create chaos, and then blending back into the popuation so you cannot be found. It always results in civilian deaths and destruction to the general infrastructure.

Whether or not it is a good thing or not is for another discussion. But don't be selective about it. Either you are for it or against it. As for myself, I am against it. I think the methods of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. produce far better results. But obviously most of the world does not agree.

[pski215]

you use a regurgitated ideology, you have no experience in the middle east and express idiotic opinions. when you give your home back to the native americans we will give ours back. I am done arguing with you.

[Eric5273]

Originally Posted by pski215

you use a regurgitated ideology, you have no experience in the middle east and express idiotic opinions. when you give your home back to the native americans we will give ours back. I am done arguing with you.

Ok...here is some things specifically on the Middle East:

Have you ever hear of Irgun?

90% of those who fought in the 1947 Independence War for the state of Israel were member of Irgun. Irgun's leader was Menachem Begin, who was the first Prime Minister of Israel.

Irgun was a terrorist group. They blew up trains, busses, buildings, etc. Their attacks were primarily on civilian targets, the goal being to cause chaos.

This is from the above article:

In 1948, The New York Times published a letter signed by a number of prominent Jewish figures including Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, Sidney Hook, and Rabbi Jessurun Cardozo, which described Irgun as a "a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine". The letter went on to state that Irgun and the Stern gang "inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and widespread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute."

Soon after World War II, Winston Churchill said "we should never have stopped immigration before the war", but that the Irgun were "the vilest gangsters" and that he would "never forgive the Irgun terrorists."



I've heard similar claims made by you against Hamas. As much as it pains you to face reality, they are 99% the same, and any student of history simply has to laugh at Israel's current stance on terrorism. The state formed by terrorists is against terrorism. How ironic.

[Dannyell]

Originally Posted by LobsterX

If I were an Israeli leaving in Israel, I really dont give a rat's rump what the rest of the world thinks of us fighting to survive and not get annihilated. If the tables were turned and all of us here in the states living in our comfy homes and driving X5's and enjoying peace and prosperity and freedom, suddenly wake up in Israel in the middle of all this, I don't think we would care what the rest of the world thinks! A man's gotta do what he's gotta do, and I respect Israel for that.

Fighting to survive?? that is what you call rockets that land in Israel from the Palestinian side?

Ok first of all international humanitarian laws were breached and that will need attending to....no matter what the reason

Secondly it would have been a different story if a 3rd party would have been involved....Israel did the best it could to keep anyone out including the media from showing what really happened and how...