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Old 07-19-2022, 12:42 PM
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I don't know what has changed but I can only read a portion of the stuff you posted. It's cutoff at the top and the bottom. Would like to read the posts. I assume it is on your end as nothing has changed on mine. Can you fix it?
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The key word is theory. It is a theory it can from the Wuhan lab. We don't know. It could also be that it developed as other virus do. What supporting evidence are you referencing?
https://www.judicialwatch.org/fbi-in...-fauci-agency/

Just going to bring this one up again about the so called THEORIES, as you like to call it, via from a FOIA lawsuit in regards to the GoF being proven from the [US] funding of the Wuhan lab by none-other fauci.

So are you going to change your tune now? Or are you still going to ask for more "evidence?"


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I also believe it came for the Wuhan lab originally. No other theory seems as likely/plausible. We'll never know where it came from for sure because China can disappear any people or documents necessary. But for my money, the Wuhan Lab theory has enough supporting evidence to be most likely.
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The key word is theory. It is a theory it can from the Wuhan lab. We don't know. It could also be that it developed as other virus do. What supporting evidence are you referencing?

Also, are you going to redact your statement to crystalworks? Are you going to tell him you were wrong and that there is now more [official] information supporting what crystalworks believes?
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Old 07-21-2022, 04:28 PM
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https://www.judicialwatch.org/fbi-in...-fauci-agency/

Source is clearly not objective. Even if all the sources are accurate there is no conclusion that can be drawn. Granted the lab could have misdirected the funds. Either way we can't draw any conclusion since it has not been proven. Recently Biden asked for an investigation by FBI to try to sort out the truth. There are at least as many experts that have definitively said the virus couldn't have come from the lab or there is nothing that indicates that is a possibility. An investigation does not predetermine guilt. https://www.judicialwatch.org/petitions/

Just going to bring this one up again about the so called THEORIES, as you like to call it, via from a FOIA lawsuit in regards to the GoF being proven from the [US] funding of the Wuhan lab by none-other fauci.

None of the points of view have been verified. Rather than theories we can call them Speculative Hypothesis based on conjecture if you want. Any funding of the Wuhan lab is immaterial unless it can be proven COVID came from the lab.

So are you going to change your tune now? Or are you still going to ask for more "evidence?"

If you post something that is factual I will be happy to acknowledge it as such. If you continue to post what I deem to be inaccurate information from bias sources you can be sure I will respond. https://www.judicialwatch.org/petitions/

Also, are you going to redact your statement to crystalworks? Are you going to tell him you were wrong and that there is now more [official] information supporting what crystalworks believes?
Our views are opinions. When challenged we have the choice to respond or not. We have no reason to redact anything we have posted other than removing a post that has been moved to a different thread.
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Being civil with someone who posted in the thread about high gas prices that his reply would be listed under the previous President' thread (where you spent years pissing and moaning) and has nothing to do with either thread then made excuses for Sir Sniffs-a-lot....??

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A personal vendetta impairs reasoning and civil communication. It is not healthy to go to war with someone just because they disagree.
I don't have a vendetta against you I just don't suffer people who move goalposts instead of considering that they are wrong and trust me if I did have a vendetta and we went to "war" I'm pretty sure you would realize our definitions are completely different....

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Our views are opinions. When challenged we have the choice to respond or not. We have no reason to redact anything we have posted other than removing a post that has been moved to a different thread.
Did you actually click on the links? Did you not see/read the emails stating the spike proteins were added to the virus? This is a report from experiments; empirical evidence. That is factual. You're confusing conjecture with critical-thinking. And that you're refusing to acknowledge/understand this is baffling.

I have to agree with EODguy on you "moving the goalpost" as no amount of information that goes against your narrative is sufficient enough.

Of course you won't redact. Your pride and "feelings" are too much on the line for you to admit the possibility of you being wrong--even in the presence of facts. Amazing.

So much for your credibility.
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Thank goodness for the FoIA. Even if it does take 1.5 years to compel release of documents.

While Judicial Watch is undoubtedly right-leaning, and receives large amounts of money from the Kochs, the documents they obtained, are not of their creation. Parsing through them adds more evidence to the Wuhan Lab origination theory/hypothesis/choose your vernacular.

I mean, here is the official National Intelligence Council report that was released Oct 2021: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docum...19-Origins.pdf

Disclosure, I've only read the "key take-aways" in the past, but it gives enough information to summarize the findings. The views are split 4 vs 4 among "Intelligence Community Elements."

4 of them say ("with low confidence") that it was a natural mutation that originated in China.

1 says it was likely ("with moderate confidence") that it was a laboratory incident originating at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

3 elements "remain unable to coalesce around either explanation without additional information, with some analysts favoring natural origin, others a laboratory origin, and some seeing the hypotheses as equally likely."

If the intelligence community as a whole is split (or uncertain) on this issue... I feel pretty confident in my logic-based belief after seeing the evidence continue to trickle out.

Unfortunately, as stated before, I don't believe China would EVER let the proof of a laboratory incident/accident/etc see the light of day. And I also fully believe that it has already been destroyed. So an accurate conclusion of what happened will likely never be realized.
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I don't have a vendetta against you I just don't suffer people who move goalposts instead of considering that they are wrong and trust me if I did have a vendetta and we went to "war" I'm pretty sure you would realize our definitions are completely different....

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Thank goodness for the FoIA. Even if it does take 1.5 years to compel release of documents.

While Judicial Watch is undoubtedly right-leaning, and receives large amounts of money from the Kochs, the documents they obtained, are not of their creation. Parsing through them adds more evidence to the Wuhan Lab origination theory/hypothesis/choose your vernacular.

I mean, here is the official National Intelligence Council report that was released Oct 2021: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docum...19-Origins.pdf

Disclosure, I've only read the "key take-aways" in the past, but it gives enough information to summarize the findings. The views are split 4 vs 4 among "Intelligence Community Elements."

4 of them say ("with low confidence") that it was a natural mutation that originated in China.

1 says it was likely ("with moderate confidence") that it was a laboratory incident originating at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

3 elements "remain unable to coalesce around either explanation without additional information, with some analysts favoring natural origin, others a laboratory origin, and some seeing the hypotheses as equally likely."

If the intelligence community as a whole is split (or uncertain) on this issue... I feel pretty confident in my logic-based belief after seeing the evidence continue to trickle out.

Unfortunately, as stated before, I don't believe China would EVER let the proof of a laboratory incident/accident/etc see the light of day. And I also fully believe that it has already been destroyed. So an accurate conclusion of what happened will likely never be realized.
I read the whole article twice and many others. I respect your choice of the explanation for the origination of COVID. As you say you are pretty confident. However, since no one actually knows how COVID came to be, it is an opinion however the basis used for determination. In a debate I would feel as comfortable defending your position as much as the others.

While the documents Judicial Watch listed are not their creation, because of the bias, I question if they posted a one sided view, if they left out information that didn't support the conclusion they wanted. We have no way of knowing if that is the case or not. I don't trust any information that is political biased.
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[QUOTE=RocketyMan;1222664]Did you actually click on the links? Did you not see/read the emails stating the spike proteins were added to the virus? This is a report from experiments; empirical evidence. That is factual. You're confusing conjecture with critical-thinking. And that you're refusing to acknowledge/understand this is baffling.

Yes, I read the article very carefully 3 times. I did not read the links. The links are sources for the content of the article that I read 3 times. Where is the link you posted so I can read it? Sounds to me the difference we have is you are saying you are right and I am wrong. I am not saying you are wrong or right. I am saying the source of COVID has not been confirmed so anyone's position is no more than an opinion. There is no right or wrong opinion.

I have to agree with EODguy on you "moving the goalpost" as no amount of information that goes against your narrative is sufficient enough.

Show me an example of moving the goalposts please.

Of course you won't redact. Your pride and "feelings" are too much on the line for you to admit the possibility of you being wrong--even in the presence of facts. Amazing

There are no feelings or pride in my posts, well depends on circumstances, and I certainly don't care if I am right or wrong. I'm just a handle with a picture of a Golden to the forum, none of this matters. I didn't say I don't need to redact. I said we don't need to redact. Didn't you mean retract anyway?
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