I think someone needs to solve the problems where they have high gun violence and I don't mean with gun laws. Figure out why those idiots are killing people and fix the problem.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if someone values human life so little they will do drive by shootings and other things like that they would be just as happy to knife someone or beat them to death with a baseball bat. The problem is the people doing the stuff not the tool they are using to do it with.

I doubt you will find a solution for that either but misdirecting the actual problem just because you don't like guns isn't going to solve anything. If americans being armed to the teeth was such a big issue I doubt anyone would be alive today. I mean its been working for over 200 years so far.

I personally believe its upbringing. Either poor family environment/values and or gang related outside the home.

Of course there will always be exception for just plain crazy.

I don't understand the logic:

I am going to use shoot more because the more cartridges I use the cheaper they are per each----What about the total cost of 1000 rounds verses 10,000?

The more guns in a given area the greater the odds there will be accidents, misuse, someone goes crazy, a disagreement escalates to a gun fight. Don't young folks still think they are invincible? Isn't it still true there are many that their courage is based on how many drinks they have had? What about those that acknowledge a gun is part of their identity? Are there still lots of folks that have bad judgement? Are there still those that lose control when they get angry?

In most cases we know why a gun was used.

At some point each of us makes a conscious choice of what kind of person they aspire to bet regardless of our upbringing. Often that process starts in our early teens when most begin to challenge their parents knowledge, direction and wisdom and evolves as we become more mature, informed, educated, have a broader perspective than where we grew up, have a full-time job, a wife and certainly when we have children.

Some of reasons guns are a more serious problem than 200 years is population increase, mobility, gun technology, increase in average stress levels, society complexity etc.

Simple math: rounding for ease of math: $1000 gun and $0.10/round :

To shoot 100 rounds is $1010 or $10.10 per shot.

To shoot 1000 rounds is $1100 or $1.10 per shot

To shoot 10,000 rounds is $2000 or 20¢ per round.

I know plenty of guns in the family that are still in the $3/5 per shot fired.

Responsible gun owners know specifically that gun and alcohol don't mix that is very strongly advised during CCW training.

There will always be bad situations that arise. The hypothetical example of angry/lose control is a distraction from actual problems like a family member using a handgun for suicide. That's the "epidemic" if there is one in America, not long guns and mass shooting.

The states with "shall allow" CCW do not have significantly higher gun homicide than the other states, but might have higher suicide rates so that in my mind is even more important than the drug: gang violence.

Like my stance with motorcycle helmet laws: I'm ok with law allowing no helmet but I think that people that choose to ride a "donor cycle" as such should be required to have specific insurance to cover their massive hospital bill should they crash. Likewise I would be ok with laws that put liability on the owner when they are negligent with their weapon and it's used to harm: example, a grand kid steals his Grandpa's gun because it's just stuffed in a sofa cushion and kills somebody robbing a store. Leaving a weapon where a minor can access should put that person in jail.

Most of my male relatives have gun safes. Guns need to be secured that's a given.

As mentioned above, duh you can't have gun injury if no gun so no matter how small the percentage, there will always be more injuries related to guns the more guns there are.

If you remove the top ten cities from the statistics, the homicide rate in the USA would be maybe 1.5 or 2 per 100,000 that would put us in a very favorable ranking in the world. I think it's about 5 per 100,000 which isn't great and things can be done to improve that number but not until people realize that no "gun law" will change it even a little. Gun is the symptom not the disease. Cure the disease and gun violence will vaporize. Eg: get job security and keep families together and gun violence will just fade away.


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Kari says specifically she is a gun person. Shortly before she uses a 3000rpm mini gun to cut down a tree then says "a lot of people would have liked to be in by shoes today".


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I don't think most who want gun law reform would argue that guns can't be fun. They definitely can be. I wish I lived in a rural environment as kick the can sounds like great fun. I take a pellet gun outside in the backyard every so often and shoot a target can for fun, but that's not nearly the same as pushing it 100 yards with a long gun. :)

The issue is keeping the guns out of the hands of certain types of gun purchasers. Long wait times, taxes, background checks, etc are all potential methods for doing that. Yes, it makes it harder to acquire a gun to use for enjoyment... but perhaps it keeps one or two unstable individuals from getting one at all. Wouldn't that be worth the inconvenience?

I am a big personal choice and responsibility guy when it comes to most things... seat belts, helmets, etc. But when it comes to something that can affect large numbers of innocent people in a relatively short period of time I get more willing to compromise for the sake of the collective safety.

And yes, andrewwynn, I agree much of this stems from poor upbringing. Parents aren't parents anymore. They coddle their kids and worry about being their friends. Your job as a parent is to prepare that child for life, and give them the best chance possible at being a self-sufficient and productive member of society. LOL, no child of mine is coming back to live at home after age 22.

And to those literally interpreting the 2nd amendment... It was drafted under a completely different set of circumstances as bcredliner pointed out. These things need to be looked at and debated from time to time as society and technology progresses.

"The issue is keeping the guns out of the hands of certain types of gun purchasers. Long wait times, taxes, background checks, etc are all potential methods for doing that. Yes, it makes it harder to acquire a gun to use for enjoyment... but perhaps it keeps one or two unstable individuals from getting one at all. Wouldn't that be worth the inconvenience? "

We have that and more in California, but it hasn't done anything to prevent mass shootings. It's about mental health. The thing no one wants to talk about in the discussion about mass shootings. We didn't start having these types of shootings until they started emptying the mental institutions. There are some people that belong in institutions. Their problems are "incurable." They need to be kept away from those they could harm, not to mention harming themselves.

I don't think you have any way of knowing whether or not anything has been done to prevent mass shootings. By nature, if something doesn't happen, no one knows it was going to happen.

I agree about mental health. Crazy people be crazy. Is it sad? Yes. Does that mean I want to try and rehabilitate every crazy person? No. Institutionalize them.

Yes, institutionalize them. We need to move back to that.

I read something about all or most of the gunmen in the school shootings we on mind altering medicine. It looks very bad for the billion dollar pharma so the media won't talk about it least be sued out of existence.

A discussion about which drugs should put people on a no fly list for firearms should be a very high priority. Very important is extending that discussion to all close family.


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