In the mean time our 4th amendment right get stepped on whenever we go to the airport or enter any building that has a metal detector or x-ray machine, or get stop by the local law enforcement for no probable cause other then our skin color or ethnicity.

The 4th doesn't apply to Airport as that is an elective choice but 4th basically gutted by the ironically named Patriot Act.

I want to mention that this thread though hijacked has been some of the very best gun topic discussion I've seen. Very obviously strong opinions from each side and the middle without the "full libtard" or whatever the opposite is for right nut jobs turning the discussion into lunacy. Maybe x5 brings out a better class regardless of political beliefs

Ronald Reagan said "trust and verify" One can choose to believe what they have heard, read or seen but doing so without verifying the accuracy is a fatal disease.

Democrats don't have any opportunity. The republicans have a majority/control in both the house and senate. The NRA is not going to support anything that increases gun control. I have no idea how full liptard applies in this context. Verification for your view from a Myth Buster Episode? Really?

You didn't answer the question. You turned it back to me. I can't think of any reason to be able to shoot that many rounds unless it was to kill a lot of people, fun or competition. Seems after doing so a few times it wouldn't be all much fun, not considering the cost of ammunition. Same question, why do you need/want to able to shoot 50+ rounds? Would that be with a bump stock in place?

The actual origin of the term assault weapon-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon

Reason to shoot a few thousand rounds in 60 minutes? Sure we do it all the time here in my yard and at other ranges.

Its a game called kick the can. My grandfather taught it to me and has been popular around here for 70 years or so.

Basically you put a can or whatever your using (plastic bottles are common these days) on range for each person and or team.

The goal is put your can or your teams can across the finish line (which is at the targets we normally shoot at most of the time).

First person or team to get their can/bottle across the line wins. Its always perfectly acceptable to shoot your opponents can/bottle to hurt their changes in some games. Most stick to you shoot only your can/bottle.

Teaches more about gun control than you can possibly imagine.

On average we use 5000 rounds of ammo in an afternoon of play.

We have used 15,000 rounds of ammo in a day before but that's rare.

So yes there are reasons to have more ammo than you might think.

Oh and I forgot it teaches you speed loading too :)

Normally when team playing you want a loaded gun in use constantly so you space your shooting out to give your teammates time to reload so that you keep your can/bottle in play constantly especially if its a round that allows shooting the opposing teams can/bottle.

Before someone says that this would be over instantly there is grass on these ranges. You will not put the can down 100 yards as fast as you think you will. It actually takes a good bit of skill to do well at the game.

I have no idea how to quantify the original intent of the 2nd. amendment since the makers are all dead. I think this is one source of research that should be read very closely before even suggesting the intent of the amendment. There is a section listing how the original draft was written and the revisions to get to the final wording that is very eye opening as to the intention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...s_Constitution

Kick the can? How many cartridges do you go through in session? what do you use to play the game? I can imagine that at most homes--Honey, I'm going to bay a $500 gun and a truck full of ammunition to play kick the can---wife, if you do I will kick your can out of the house permanently. Kick the can is in the category of fun that I mentioned I could see why for fun activities. What I want to know is why you NEED a gun that will take a 50 round magazine based the the primary reason people say they own guns--for protection.

Wife does decent at it. Daughter is very good at the game. Of course she can put a bullet in a bullet at 100 yards too :)


The point is what you consider an evil device its what we consider a tool. If can be used for defense, hunting and entertainment.

We just don't have the issues that the large cities do. We don't have the crime rate or the people being shot all the time.

But we are taught to use guns from an early age. If someone is taught to respect a gun and fully understands what it can do they know how to handle it.

But I think the key thing is here in my part of the country we cherish human life. In the big cities like Chicago and such? Apparently not so much.

I think it is so smart to use your gun as described. The more you use it the less it costs per shot. (until you shoot 100,000 rounds I suppose). I've never felt at risk when in a County where the guns out number the people. It should be that way every where


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I haven't said any gun is an evil device and I don't believe that is true. Your position is there is no problem where you live so gun control laws are fine as is. We can't use a microcosm to determine what is good for the country.