Just had a laugh at the "Highway Holster" page from the OP.


Driver: "I need a gun to keep me safe in my car at all times!!!11eleven!!"

also driver: NOT wearing seat belt.... :usasalute:

Juries can make decisions based on the essence of the law but laws are not to be interpreted or expanded in scope. Laws are intended to be enforced as written.

I think it is clear there is ignorance and deception on both ends of the gun control spectrum. That's one of the reasons that congress should have a bipartisan open and objective discussion/hearing about what is real, what is fiction to make an informed decision as to what is reasonable to change or leave alone. That's what the NRA is blocking with lobbying and 'contributions' to a large number of members of congress. If gun owners are so confident they are correct they wouldn't block the discussion. There is one absolute of pro guns spearheaded by the NRA--fight any attempt at expanding scope of gun laws. Which means everything that represents expanding gun control laws is an absolute.

For all the reasons to leave the gun control laws alone it doesn't change that innocent people are being murdered in alarming numbers at least in comparison to countries that have laws that ban guns. It doesn't change that countries like Japan where guns aren't allowed have far fewer gun deaths per 100,000 citizens.

I hesitate to say no guns in US is the solution. I don't hesitate to say somewhere between where we are on gun control and no guns will decrease the number of innocent victims of gun violence. And I don't hesitate to say that the gun owners that believe it is vital to fight any changes are part of the problem. Change in Federal laws require a vote that represents the will of the majority of citizens. There is no reason to be concerned about extremes on either side.
Members of congress are elected. The majority voting have elected them hopefully based on there position on issues.

This thread is about how to mount a gun in a vehicle so you can get to it quicker, that I need it wherever I go. It is impossible that all sane gun owners have good judgment, or will never snap. Certainly having a gun available increases ones feeling of being powerful and the willingness to confront confrontation rather than walk away or stick to non violent options.

It would be interesting to know how many pistol owners practice to the point they can be accurate beyond a few yards at a range and be effective in a real situation.

Simple question--would any of the gun owners here vote yes on a law to ban the sale of bump stocks. Would you vote yes to a law that makes the use of a bump stock a class one felony?

I HATE these threads. They are toxic to the forum. I tend not to comment, bc nothing will be resolved here, no opinions will be changed. I also hate letting certain statements stand.

Licensed firearms owners are NOT the problem. Having a weapon at hand may make some people feel more "powerful" or whatever you choose to say, but statistically speaking virtually NO licensed owner acts in this manner. We DO NOT want to use our guns. They are a true last resort. Statistics being what they are, you can always find an exception to every rule; there is no absolute. Using a scale of zero tolerance is merely an excuse to eliminate something, not to take meaningful action.

How many pistol owners practice for long range accuracy? Who knows, probably most do as a test of skill. The reality that most licensed hand gun owners will understand is that if you are carrying for self defense, it will be an up close and personal encounter. Most important here is muscle memory in how to handle your firearm, and assessing your environment for potential collateral damage. Again, no one wants this situation to occur.

As far as what laws and restriction should be made, that will take infinitely more time and effort to establish if you take our constitution seriously, and understand the reasoning behind the framer's intent. I believe a declawed citizenry is ultimately a slave of the state. To willingly continue down what has been openly acknowledged as a slippery slope to this end is foolish. Principles matter. The question of saving lives is a red herring, meant to demean and dehumanize those of us who seek to protect our constitutional rights. We have families and loved ones too, for whom we constantly weigh the pros and cons of our laws and the impact on all our lives.

That's it, I'm not coming back here again.

So much for a weapons box discussion. Someone always has to ruin it.

The first second and third lesson taught at my CCW class was "get the fk out". In other words do every thing in your power to avoid using your weapon. I'm quite confident that is the rule not the exception.

Ignore the trolls...

More options for firearm security in vehicle.
https://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/vehicle-safe-information.html

I like the locking box like that but I always worry I wont be able to get to the gun when needed if it requires a key.

Of course any lock is going to have its drawbacks. Make it to easy and someone else gets your gun. Make it to hard and you cant get to your gun.

Bad enough people are road raging on the roads, but let start letting them carry their guns in their cars with a holster by the steering column so that they can add that to their arsenal of weapons during a road rage.

:iagree:

Me too...


Wasn't your Las Vegas killer a licensed firearm owner? :rolleyes:

Glad we don't have to think about that kind of crap here.

Back OT. The only reason to need a lock box in your car would be for transporting weapons to and from the range. Couldn't it then go in the back?

If someone who is prone to road rage wants to bring a gun, they don't necessarily need a holster, they would just lay it on their passenger seat, or tuck it in their pants. Nothing in this thread is talking about provoking people or doing anything to get into a bad situation.

Just because we own firearms doesn't mean we're on a power trip and want to stoke the fire and get into trouble. We are responsible, contributing members of society & citizens who passed background checks to get our concealed pistol licenses in order to protect ourselves and our home/business.

Of course there are exceptions to every case, but overwhelmingly citizens who possess a concealed carry permit don't commit crimes. We have too much to lose, and have proven to have no criminal history (no felonies) in order to pass the background checks. Can't say that about the thugs who conceal carry a black market weapon anyway.

Our family drives safely, defensively, and obey the laws and speed limits as we're able to. I myself want a safe way to carry in the car, not because I want to feel superior to others on the road, but because I don't want to end up like this poor fellow:

Dad with tot in car killed after refusing to give carjackers keys - NY Daily News

We have our first baby on the way (a girl), and I'd die before handing the keys over to those thugs as well. At least he might have had a sliver of a chance if he had what we're talking about in this thread. No guarantees, but better than a 0% survival chance.

Or get stuck in this situation with nowhere out:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/n...uv-driver.html

You can say statistically your odds are 1 in x likely to get into something like that, but when you're that 1 person you're in a bad situation and would want to have any type of advantage.

Back on topic:

That's why I want both a lockbox and a carry holster like the highway holster in the car for quick access while operating the vehicle. When I leave the car, I can transfer the pistol to the lockbox, so I'd prefer if it was in the door, or under the seat, so I don't have to expose it to store it.