Official X5 ///M Press Release and Pics(updated post 51)

[bmwman3241]

My dealer tells me anything from a power inverter, subwoofers, exhaust TIPS, body parts (grill), or anything non-BMW will void my warranty. I tried arguing with them many times, but they stick with what they said.

[JT///MC]

Originally Posted by bmwman3241

My dealer tells me anything from a power inverter, subwoofers, exhaust TIPS, body parts (grill), or anything non-BMW will void my warranty. I tried arguing with them many times, but they stick with what they said.

maybe he knows you're rich and he just wants to rip you off some more.

[X5 Meister]

Originally Posted by JT///MC

maybe he knows you're rich and he just wants to rip you off some more.

[KDD]

Anyone got pictures of the M X5 from the NY Auto Show?

[LeMansX5]

Originally Posted by KDD

Anyone got pictures of the M X5 from the NY Auto Show?

Doubt it as it was not for public viewing.

Wait for Shanghai Auto show pics soon.

[StanF18]

Originally Posted by bmwman3241

My dealer tells me anything from a power inverter, subwoofers, exhaust TIPS, body parts (grill), or anything non-BMW will void my warranty. I tried arguing with them many times, but they stick with what they said.

That's one of the advantages of Dinan mods. They have a green light from BMW North America. Keeps your BMW warranty intact, and you get an additional matching warranty on all Dinan components. Only thing is it usually takes them a year or so to release mods for a brand new trim line, because they do extensive testing and quality control. They'll get both the X5///M and X6///M to 650 ponies without a problem. All they have to do is a couple of psi turbo-boosts using a revised software flash, and some additional oil cooling to boot (to handle the extra boost). They've already gotten the 335i to 400 hp.

Just when you thought the X5///M couldn't get any scarier....

[JCL]

Originally Posted by StanF18

That's one of the advantages of Dinan mods. They have a green light from BMW North America. Keeps your BMW warranty intact, and you get an additional matching warranty on all Dinan components. Only thing is it usually takes them a year or so to release mods for a brand new trim line, because they do extensive testing and quality control. They'll get both the X5///M and X6///M to 650 ponies without a problem. All they have to do is a couple of psi turbo-boosts using a revised software flash, and some additional oil cooling to boot (to handle the extra boost). They've already gotten the 335i to 400 hp.

I am a fan of Dinan products as well, but I don't agree with all of your statements.

Your BMW warranty is always intact, mods don't cancel it. What happens is that your mods may cause a problem that is therefore not warranty, but rather consequential damage. The Dinan warranty doesn't replace your BMW warranty, it is a supplemental warranty on the Dinan products. That may be what you meant by the phrase matching. I think it is important to deal with the dealer that sold you the Dinan products, so they can go to bat for you if in fact you get a failure in the grey zone between BMW factory warranty and Dinan supplemental warranty. I found cases of claims falling in that gap, but I think that having the dealer on the hook is a good mitigation for that risk.

They didn't get the 335 up to 400 hp with a software flash, they got it to 330 or so (from 300). To get to 398 hp (Dinan Stage 3) you need the software flash, the Dinan exhaust, the Dinan oil cooler, and the Dinan aftercoolercooler. A little more expensive than the software flash by itself. Instead of $1400 worth of software, you need $2500 of software, $1800 of exhaust, $1700 of oil cooler, and $2500 of aftercooler, for a grand total of $8500 (which is why many purchase the various non-Dinan flash products for more hp gain, much less cost, and much more risk). I played around with the Dinan idea for my 535i, but at the end of the day, I didn't need the hp increase they were selling.

I think they will get the 50 (4.4 litre twin turbo) from 500 hp to 650 hp with similar approaches. I think that to get the M engine from 550 to 650 will take longer, because there are far fewer sales to amortize their costs over, so it will take some time for them to introduce products there.

[StanF18]

See below...

Originally Posted by JCL

I am a fan of Dinan products as well, but I don't agree with all of your statements.

JCL, we DO agree, you just misread what I wrote...

Your BMW warranty is always intact, mods don't cancel it. What happens is that your mods may cause a problem that is therefore not warranty, but rather consequential damage. The Dinan warranty doesn't replace your BMW warranty, it is a supplemental warranty on the Dinan products. That may be what you meant by the phrase matching.

Yep, that is indeed what I was saying by "Matching", that they give you the 4-year, 50,000 mile coverage on THEIR components, just as BMW gives it to you on the OEM components.

I think it is important to deal with the dealer that sold you the Dinan products, so they can go to bat for you if in fact you get a failure in the grey zone between BMW factory warranty and Dinan supplemental warranty. I found cases of claims falling in that gap, but I think that having the dealer on the hook is a good mitigation for that risk.

They didn't get the 335 up to 400 hp with a software flash, they got it to 330 or so (from 300).

I did not say just the software flash, I did mention above that cooling components are required. But the bottom line is that they did increase it from 300 to 398 hp on the 6-cyl. TT. So going from 550 to 650 on an X5///M is a very reachable goal using a similar turbo boost/software remap of boost pressures and the water pump/oil cooler approach.

To get to 398 hp (Dinan Stage 3) you need the software flash, the Dinan exhaust, the Dinan oil cooler, and the Dinan aftercoolercooler. A little more expensive than the software flash by itself. Instead of $1400 worth of software, you need $2500 of software, $1800 of exhaust, $1700 of oil cooler, and $2500 of aftercooler, for a grand total of $8500 (which is why many purchase the various non-Dinan flash products for more hp gain, much less cost, and much more risk). I played around with the Dinan idea for my 535i, but at the end of the day, I didn't need the hp increase they were selling.

Yep, as with anything else: you wanna play, you gotta pay! I didn't say Dinan was cheap...

I think they will get the 50 (4.4 litre twin turbo) from 500 hp to 650 hp with similar approaches. I think that to get the M engine from 550 to 650 will take longer, because there are far fewer sales to amortize their costs over, so it will take some time for them to introduce products there.

[JCL]

I checked, and the 4.4 litre twin turbo is at 400 hp not 500 (who can keep track?). So, with a similar % increase as the 3.0, it would get to 550 hp, not 650. My bad. I think it will be a while before Dinan offer a kit for the X5M, due partly to the low volume of potential sales, but also due to the fact that the engine has been taken from 400 hp to 550 by the M division, essentially what someone like Dinan would have done. The easy mods are already taken (cooling, water pump, boost levels, aftercooler, etc).

Yes, I am sure we will see 650 hp, but not likely from Dinan for awhile. It will be the Procede crowd, or others.

PS: Vishnu Tuning have just taken the 335 to 500 wheel horsepower. Graphs posted on e90post.com. The approach is a little exotic, with meth injection, etc, but it shows the potential. Standard street tunes seem to have peaked at 430 whp or so, for now. Not sure what that is at the flywheel.

[X5 Meister]

I was joking about the Mercedes flashlight. Do you really think I'd have anything Mercedes in my car???

BTW, I don't think the X5 M was in NY.