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Old 03-27-2019, 12:35 PM
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Don't ever order a Hot Dog with Ketchup....


I’m totally with that - relish on dogs too!


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Old 03-27-2019, 03:00 AM
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no ketchup? Let's not get crazy now...

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What you guys doing here? Have a BBQ party?
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:08 PM
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no ketchup? Let's not get crazy now...

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Yep No Ketchup!!! According to Dirty Harry.

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I have to have ketchup on dogs, burgers etc.

That is totally the Armys fault since they thought tarragon is a great additive to spam, beef and everything that was slapped on a tray....

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Mustard. Nothing but mustard belongs on a hot dog.
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FCPEuro's life-time replacement warranty policy made replacing the stiffening plate bolts a no-brainer for me - just replace them if you purchased them from FCPEuro! Why? You get your money back when you send in the old bolts and buy new ones from them, as per their life-time replacement terms. Note - your money back in the form of payment you purchased the new ones, as opposed to a store credit . So essentially the only cost to you for replacing the bolts is the shipping costs for sending the old ones in. Shipping is free when purchasing. Does that now settle this debate for good?
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FCPEuro's life-time replacement warranty policy made replacing the stiffening plate bolts a no-brainer for me - just replace them if you purchased them from FCPEuro! Why? You get your money back when you send in the old bolts and buy new ones from them, as per their life-time replacement terms. Note - your money back in the form of payment you purchased the new ones, as opposed to a store credit . So essentially the only cost to you for replacing the bolts is the shipping costs for sending the old ones in. Shipping is free when purchasing. Does that now settle this debate for good?
Good idea! But no... lol, no it doesn't.

There is no debate really. It's BMW's recommendation to replace vs. the years of experience from owners, indys, and even BMW's own mechanics who reuse the bolts. But then again BMW recommends replacing all suspension fasteners anytime their are touched too... nobody does that either (unless a new part is being put in that came with fasteners). Each owner will have to choose to reuse them... or not. With as often as my plate is removed (3 to 5 times a year) I wouldn't even go for the FCP Euro swap out due to the hassle involved. Cost is only one factor.
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Good idea! But no... lol, no it doesn't.

There is no debate really. It's BMW's recommendation to replace vs. the years of experience from owners, indys, and even BMW's own mechanics who reuse the bolts. But then again BMW recommends replacing all suspension fasteners anytime their are touched too... nobody does that either (unless a new part is being put in that came with fasteners). Each owner will have to choose to reuse them... or not. With as often as my plate is removed (3 to 5 times a year) I wouldn't even go for the FCP Euro swap out due to the hassle involved. Cost is only one factor.
The only reason that has any substance to it that supports replacing these particular bolts is that they are torqued to a level and THEN torqued to an additional percentage (90 degrees or what ever). That means they are being stretched. None of the other bolts on the car that I've run in to that BMW says should be replaced have this requirement. That tells me the bolts are fine to be reused. I always put blue Loctite on them, but I don't replace them. I haven't had to pull my skid plate yet, but given the torque requirements involve "stretching" already torqued bolts, I'll probably replace them when I have to drop the plate. Just my 2 cents.
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The justification for reusing the bolts is always interesting and fun reading. Lots of personal experience, it's a scam, accumulation of what others do or shade tree engineering guessing.

Here are some sources that provide information about Torque to yield bolts such as those used to secure the reinforcement plate. Most of it is about cylinder head bolts. My guess is after digesting this input, even if the cost of the bolts was the same as those used to secure the reinforcement plate, the common sense folks would not reuse the head bolts. The only difference is we know why the bolts should not be reused and what can happen if we do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFzTZG4eU70 https://www.freeasestudyguides.com/a1_4.html https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...bf&action=view. I'm not trying to change minds. I am pointing out that until you know for sure why TTY bolts are used to secure the reinforcement plate and what happens if you don't, the risk of reuse is not quantifiable. The risk could be low or could be high, none of us know where it falls. Are you having fun yet?
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