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Old 10-06-2018, 01:11 AM
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Will do man! So did you get all the old foam and glue off and what did you use? I know its a fiberglass board so just curious - shit the old days on my Jetta I remember gluing the suede over the existing headliner I didn't even peel the old one off LOL
Yea you see that red plastic panel pry tool in the pic. I used that. Then follow up with vigorous rubbing with a rag. Lots of vacuum in between. But then when I was at autozone buying the 3m yellow, I saw they sell headliner glue remover spray. WTF? Maybe try that out as well. But that scraper and a rag did most of the work.
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Ok so I did the pano sunshades. No pics this time. The project was sort of epic as I decided to also replace the pano seal with the updated version, Iíve had it for 2 years now.

Today was a 7 hour day. No joke. Doing suede on our headliners is serious business.

First things first get a battery tender lol. I had to move the panels and shade so many times, forgot to turn off ignition for hours on end, that the Beast barely started at the end of today. Or just donít forget to turn off ignition. Up to you.

Remove glass. Front is straight forward. 3 t25 screws per side under the accordion thingie. Accordion thingie pulls away on the bottom. Pick up glass place in the trunk. Rear glass is sort of a pain in the ass. You need to tilt it, unscrew, slide it toward rear of car, there you have enough space to pivot glass and clear the front screw tabs. Put glass on top of beer fridge. Now close shade and pop it up to vent mode. Unscrew the 3 t15 shade screws per side in front, 2 per side in rear. Front and rear shade screws are different. Now slide shade back, pull front share forward. Repeat as necessary. Rear is opposite, donít lose the spring looking shits on drivers side. Note how they go in.

Now is also a good time to pull of pano seal. Get ready for the pain. You get to enjoy sdanding in the rear seat floor area, while your head is in the front glass area, hunched over cause your damn garage door opener keeps hitting you in the head. The seal was dead. I am not kidding, I probably should have replaced it a long time ago. Dried up, my x is garage kept and that shit was like brittle plastic. All 4 corners of the seal had no sign of glue or anything rubbery. This is good, because the rest of the area you get to rub it off with your thumbs, millimeter at a time. As you would do with a 3 month old sticker you trying to remove from your fridge because your kids wanted to add rainbow dash to the freezer. Brake cleaner was best in giving me the assist with removing old seal glue shit. Damn this part was painful. I almost regretted it. But once I went for a ride, the noise is soooooo much less, it was worth it. Put on new seal takes literally 5 min. Itís a sticker. So yea. Stick it on, cut to size. Done.

So to repeat, if doing this project get headliner glue remover spray. I was like who cares at this point, only two little panels to do. I donít need no stinking glue remover spray. Boy was I wrong. Oh and remember that time I glued my shade liner back on without removing it from car? Yea that was stupid. I used 3m yellow that time too. And holy shit, is that stuff good. Huge difference in pain in the ass between ďrepairedĒ panel and the factory one. As far as scraping off the shit. Anyway, this took a long time. Pretty sure weed, beer and profanity is what gets you through this misery. This glue up was easy as cake in comparison to the main part of headliner. So sexy with fresh suede.

Return stuff back into car in reverse order. Fairly quick process. Sunroof panel screws are all slotted. So keep em lose. Put all screws in and close the glass. Get out, stand on running boards and push glass in or out as necessary to line it up with roof. Donít have running boards? Well then maybe you should get some, cause you will be on them all fookin day for this part. Tighten it all up. Now you have to re-initialize the pano roof. The seal comes with a paper telling you to follow coding procedure some number. Who cares, we all know that you just have to hold pano button up into vent position for what feels like 3 damn hours when you are exhausted. Itís like 2 min thing really, but feels like 3 hours. Done. Iíll throw up finished product tomorrow.

All in, this is a very long job. I can see a shop wanting $1500 for this process. Only way to save time here is to get headliner glue remover spray, spandex material, only use 3m yellow, lots of blades, lots of painters tape and plastic. You need painters tape and some sort of plastic to put down on your work area, and area you donít want to glue. There is surprising aamount of stuff you cannot get the glue onto with these sunshades, on the top side at least.
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This looks like a fun project... Said no one ever.

Nice results though slick, very rewarding. I've done this on an e46 sedan and the old foam glue balls still haunt my nightmares. I think I removed them with heat and some sort of drill attachment. It's been awhile. Anyway, cheers to you on the result. Glad my headliner is not sagging... Yet.
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Ty. The seal is so much nicer as far as road noise and tightness of the glass.

This also seems to have fixed my sunshade rattle. I figured out what it was during disassembly. It is the metal screen that sits between the two halves. It was flapping against the panels. Now with new thicker material, it no longer does this.

All in all super happy with the result.
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This entire thread made for very interesting reading. Can't decide if I'm intimidated by the work involved or just bite down hard and get it over with. I have a similar pano roof where the sag is in few places (hump in the back, visor indents, sliding pano sun shades) and is starting to drive me nuts.

I'm planning on doing the headliner plus the pano sun shades. Placed the order for the suede, 3M yellow, X-acto blades, and about to swing by Autozone and see if they have the headliner glue remover.

I wanted to ask a few questions for those who were able to successfully get this over and done with:

Is there any added benefit to going after the pano sun shades while the headliner is out? Such as easy access to it?

Is it accurate to say that undoing screws and clips for the headliner is majority of the time spent inside and looking up? With the exception of the screws in the front edge of the pano roof well?

How about the pano sun shades? Reading SlickGT1's write up, it sounds like the work is equal time spent up alongside the roof looking down on the opening and inside the cabin looking up moving stuff around?

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Sup. Sunshades and main headliner is two separate jobs. You can do one, then the other. Sunshades are deff easier than the main, just because there are much less humps and dips and sheer size difference. I suggest you get your noodle wet with the sunshades. If you will be upgrading the pano seal, this would be a perfect time to do it as well. That takes a while to peel off the old glue. Essentially this entire process is peeling off old glue. Removing the main from the car will take you about an hour. Took me like 40 min. It’s really easy honestly. That is not what you should worry about. It’s the damn bullshit glue. So much scraping that my right bycep is till 2 inches bigger than the left.
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Friends,

I am looking for sage advice (tips and tricks really) on how to go after the sun shades and remove them so I can address the delaminating factory fabric.

Looking at the pictures attached, the outer edges of the two panoramic roof sun shades are completely recessed behind the flanged metal frame surround (black casing in photo) and this is the case in either fully closed or fully retracted towards the trunk.

Doesn't seem like these can be accessed from inside looking up?

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Friends,

I am looking for sage advice (tips and tricks really) on how to go after the sun shades and remove them so I can address the delaminating factory fabric.

Looking at the pictures attached, the outer edges of the two panoramic roof sun shades are completely recessed behind the flanged metal frame surround (black casing in photo) and this is the case in either fully closed or fully retracted towards the trunk.

Doesn't seem like these can be accessed from inside looking up?

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See PDF. They come out through the top I believe.
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Mango, read post 42. Glass has to come out, screws from inside, glass comes up. Then you can get to the shades from the top of the car.
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Thank you so much CrystalWorks, SlickGT. Thank you both,

I'll go after the shades from the top. SlickGT, was there a particular source you got the pano seal from or a part number? Wasn't planning on fidling with it but if it's there, within reach, and feeling up to the challenge, I may take it on.

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