Any 35D Owners install this performance tune?

[Alpinedevil335]

Originally Posted by Aidan

On a side note, I am also LMAO at the point it take months of tuning time to determine the appropriate algorithms

Yes these things actually do WORK. And you bet it took some time to make sure that these piggies are going to work safely on a $50,000+ car. They do as advertised because of the R&D that goes into them. They are not just thrown together like the gimmic crap they sell on eBay.

If its that simple as you claim, I challenge you to build your own and produce the same gains as the ones advertised. Good luck with that!

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Alpinedevil335

Yes these things actually do WORK. And you bet it took some time to make sure that these piggies are going to work safely on a $50,000+ car. They do as advertised because or the R&D that goes into them. They are not just thrown together like the gimmic crap they sell on eBay.

If its that simple as you claim, I challenge you to build your own and produce the same gains as the ones advertised. Good luck with that!

ok bye bye

[Lawfarm]

Originally Posted by Alpinedevil335

Yes these things actually do WORK. And you bet it took some time to make sure that these piggies are going to work safely on a $50,000+ car. They do as advertised because of the R&D that goes into them. They are not just thrown together like the gimmic crap they sell on eBay.

If its that simple as you claim, I challenge you to build your own and produce the same gains as the ones advertised. Good luck with that!

Aidan,

That seems like a reasonable gauntlet to throw down. If the piggyback devices are just a resistor or rheostat, and if you have this extensive experience in tuning BMWs, why not prove that you're right by making a $10 piggyback tuner box. Take a vid, put it up on Youtube, and prove you're right. Any reason you can't do that? The sellers of these devices have videos and dyno charts out showing the results--can you provide similar documentation beyond your comments alone?

[Terry @ BMS]

Oh, Aidan is a competitive vendor? Now his statements make sense. LOL!

The JBD retails for $279 and the customer can install/remove in seconds without visiting a tuner shop. The difference vs. stock is really night and day. What do you charge for your flash tuning? And how much time does the customer have to sit around while you upload and download maps on the car? And then for warranty work to go back to stock again? I do flash tuning as well and it can work quite well when done right. But it is a much more expensive option in the case of the X5D/335D. And in general has advantages and drawbacks vs. piggyback tuning.

Here are a couple videos of our JB4 gasoline piggyback system which retails for $529. Can your flash tuning do any of this?





Any a dyno charts on pump gas vs. stock tuning...

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Lawfarm

Aidan,

That seems like a reasonable gauntlet to throw down. If the piggyback devices are just a resistor or rheostat, and if you have this extensive experience in tuning BMWs, why not prove that you're right by making a $10 piggyback tuner box. Take a vid, put it up on Youtube, and prove you're right. Any reason you can't do that? The sellers of these devices have videos and dyno charts out showing the results--can you provide similar documentation beyond your comments alone?

Can I see the dyno charts please?

Once again I will simply explain that I did not come into this thread to slam a company. I did come into this thread to explain how tuning boxes work, what they do to the ECU and how they crudely force extra bhp from the engine.
I never advise people to buy or fit them but I never said they don't work. Yes they do their job of forcing extra bhp from the engine.

And again, I never come to this thread to slam a company.

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

Oh, Aidan is a competitive vendor? Now his statements make sense. LOL!

The JBD retails for $279 and the customer can install/remove in seconds without visiting a tuner shop. The difference vs. stock is really night and day. What do you charge for your flash tuning? And how much time does the customer have to sit around while you upload and download maps on the car? And then for warranty work to go back to stock again? I do flash tuning as well and it can work quite well when done right. But it is a much more expensive option in the case of the X5D/335D. And in general has advantages and drawbacks vs. piggyback tuning..

I am not a vendor on this forum. I also do not consider you selling these boxes as a competitor.
I am also not interested in looking at petrol gas dyno charts.

I have wasted enough time on this thread, you can sell away at your tuning boxes but do appreciate people like myself who has the right of opinion and offer their opinion about tuning boxes to members.

You also cannot compare custom flash tuning to plug in tuning boxes. They are both in leagues of their own.

[Terry @ BMS]

We are already 15 pages in here. Might as well come to some sort of a conclusion as you've strung us all long this far.

A good way to look at it is a value comparison. So, what do you offer the X5D customer? In terms of cost and performance increase? Maybe we can find an independent party to test both and while considering price and ease of install/removal have them highlight each and what they feel what offers the best value and overall experience.

[Aidan]

Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

We are already 15 pages in here. Might as well come to some sort of a conclusion as you've strung us all long this far.

A good way to look at it is a value comparison. So, what do you offer the X5D customer? In terms of cost and performance increase? Maybe we can find an independent party to test both and while considering price and ease of install/removal and highlight what he or she thinks offer the best value and overall experience.

My customer will recieve a brand new ecu flashing interface (Genuine, not a cloned copy). They will have full instructions to how to plug it into the OBD port, take a reading from the ECU, email to me, I will custom tune it to tailor their needs and yes I can cater for DPF and EGR deletes, I will mail them 2 tuned files - One for Power and one for Economy. The customer can upload the power tune or switch to the economy tune if they are going on long journeys.
The customer can simply revert back to the Original tune in the event of going to the Main Dealers.
They can switch between Power, Economy and standard tunes as they wish.
If they sell their car they can use the same interface on their new car and remap it also etc.

Differences of custom ecu flash tunes VS plug in box into the fuel pressure sensor... Well do I really have to go there

[Aidan]

As for the performance increase.. It really differs big time.

The drivability is so much smoother with the removal of flat spots from the map.
Better MPG
NO black smoke
Powerband spread across the COMPLETE rev range
Higher torque
More BHP

I can give BHP figures and Torque figures if I know the year and model of X5

[N55X5]

Terry, no offense, but that's like asking Shiv to do an independent test against your tune... (or vise versa).

It would be interesting to see an independent party do a test... But as Aidan has clearly stated he doesn't even consider you competition... As backward as that is..

When comparing other flash tunes from GIAC, COBB and some of the other flash tuners, to the piggyback systems the performance from the piggies is on par and in most cases better than any flash offers. Piggys are limited to the 13-15psi that flashes seem to be limited to, and with the introduction of upgraded turbos, Downpipes, and the such, Piggy systems seem to be able to handle and provide more power than a flash can. Maybe your flash (Aidan) can provide support for these Stg 2 and 3 cars, but most of the flashes out currently don't seem to have the complete support system in place that piggy's have. I don't know of any flash that supports the use of Meth either. the JB4 and Vishnu V4/5 both have safety measures built in to support the use of Meth. Have you come up with a way to provide a safe usage of Meth in the cars you flash?

All very serious questions, and not meant to degrade your product (Aidan, as you are currently an unknown to the US tuning scene), but this is important when comparing your product to what you call inferior products.

Can I also assume that you do not tune Petrol / Gas engines, and only Diesel? Or am I mistaken. I'm just trying to clear the air (seeing how this was originally a x35d thread)