Haha no worries. :)

While I'm a bit of a gun snob, for defensive situations I will say that the gun you're carrying is better than the gun you've left at home. :)

In fact, I often carry a NAA mini-revolver for that reason.

The Walther PPS is nice. I rented one of those a while back and enjoyed shooting it. The ambidextrous mag release on the trigger guard will take some training to get used to, but it worked well.

I think it's one of my favorite subcompact, single stack 9mm's. And I liked it a lot better than the new Glock 43.

Avoid the CCP. The Gun Tests magazine which I mentioned previously did a comparison between that and the Glock 43. The CCP was super picky about ammo and did not cycle reliably. Not something you want in a defensive pistol.

Yup, that totally helps and makes sense. Since you want Glock or Walther, I'd suggest the Glock 26 or the Glock 19. The 26 is their subcompact, which is slightly smaller than the 30 and much more manageable. The 19 is their compact, which is easily concealable under a baggy shirt. Both are 9mm.

I don't know the Walther lineup very well but maybe they've got something that's the size of the 26 or 19. The PPS is about the size of the 26 but it's single stack so much slimmer. And the PPQ is big. Maybe they've got something in between, but I don't know.

Or get a 1911 for your .45acp desires. ;) If budget is a consideration, Rock Island makes a decent 1911 for about $500. Or you can get a Springfield for a little more. Tons of good 1911 options.

Then save 9mm for the striker fired guns...

Glad to be of help! :thumbup:

You're right that the plastic guns have taken over. And if you think that market is huge, check out the AR market nowadays. That one is INSANE!

I personally prefer full size "service duty" guns, natural pointers, longer site radius, higher magazine capacity, fills my large hands, better recoil/muzzle flip control, operation levers/releases in intuitive/natural positions. I accept the downside is an increased possibility of "printing" thru cover clothing.

I've shot a variety of Glocks, nice guns, just never had the urge to OWN one.

IMHO, Glocks score a solid "8" (on a scale of 1 to 10) in all aspects a gun can be critiqued. I find myself impressed how Glocks are "all around" 8s in EVERY aspect!

The problem I run into when considering a Glock purchase is, I find another gun has a better "feel" in my hand, or a trigger that's better, or groups tighter, of feels better during double/triple taps, or points better.

RB, I would run a PPQ before proceeding.

I'm not a polymer/striker fire guy, but the Walther blew my mind. I would expect to pay a gunsmith half the cost of the gun to get the trigger that good. The insane accuracy is icing on the cake.

Yeah, some people don't like the ergonomics of the grip angle, slide release, and such. For example, my dad shoots a lot better with a Sig than he does with a Glock. And while I do well with a Glock, I have a hard time with the Sig in that my thumb always holds down the slide release so it doesn't lock back when the mag is empty.

Funny thing, though...my dad went on a Glock buying spree about 15 years ago and basically bought one of each model available at the time. Then he recently decided he wanted a new Glock 19 to carry so bought one of those and had it tricked out (titanium parts and hard chromed slide & barrel)...and never carries it because he can't shoot it as well as his P228 or M11.

That's why it's important to try before you buy...

I'm one of those who shoot a Sig better then the Glock.

Finding how I shot the PPQ better then the Sig was unexpected.

Seems the center-punched/displaced plastic retention of the trigger safety lever pin was not just on the two Rugers I handled........

And TiAg thanks for your help as well - Hickok45 was even like "wow the PPQ its hard to miss with it!" in the video I saw, looked to be such a smooth and fun to shoot pistol.

Yeah, the PPQ is a "soft shooter" in 45acp.

Same bore axis as the Sig 227, yet less felt recoil shooting identical rounds (bullet weight/charge grain count).

One of the editors for a gun mag went to the Walther PPQ press release with a stitched injury on shooting hand. Walter provided a WIDE range of current market 45acp semi-autos to shoot "back to back" with the PPQ.
The writer found he could fire the PPQ with the least discomfort.

I've been "beating the bushes" here in TX to find a Beretta and/or Wilson Combat sponsored range event where the WC BT 92G Custom will be available for public trial. None of my contacts in the TX gun community own one, yet EVERYONE I talk to wants to shoot it!

I'd love to beat the bushes for you in NJ but it won't do much good LOL

The PPQ in .45 sounds like a great range gun and HD gun - definitely keeping it on my list but since it's full sized I'm going to hold both it and the Glock 21 at my dealer and see if i can test fire at the range to see which I like better

EDIT: My local range rents the following at $20 per hour, I'll be test driving a couple of these and not have to worry about NJ's asinine transport laws for the day:

-Glock 21, 30, 43, 26, 17, 19
-Walther PPQ 9mm
-HK VP9 (also considered if I went to 9mm)

Your range has some good rental options! Give them a whirl and let us know what you think.

Really!

Like the PA carry permit woman who missed her exit in PA, drove across the bridge into NJ, did a "U" turn that attracted the attention of NJ "finest".

The NJ court threw the book at her for transporting a gun in NJ. Jail time for crossing a bridge!

The cops, judge and county prosecutor should be put in jail for violation of 2nd Amendment rights.