COVID Vaccination Hesitancy - Page 8

bcredliner · #1 12-20-2021, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

I know but for me support and defend the Constitution has always included trying to ge people to see what the Constitution says and means. I am sometimes successful. You are assuming your position is correct. There are scholars that do nothing other than study the constitution and the real world application. They don't all agree.

In this case it sends me high and to the right when someone makes a statement of.... Your Rights end where mine begin, so you must do something against your will to make me feel safe.

I have never said you must do anything. I have said it is not only the patriotic thing to do but also the right thing to do without asking or forcing you to do. It is the sensible thing to do. Why are you afraid of being vaccinated. It's free, it doesn't hurt and it protects you and your loved ones.
Even Thomas Sowell says "usually" not always so there's a chance. Of course my old SGM used to say "Chance? There's a CHANCE I might shit a gold brick, but I don't think it's going to happen."

I will be happy to acknowledge anything posted that is based on facts or opinions I share.

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Insults devalue ones input and oneself.

EODguy · #2 12-21-2021, 04:15 AM

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bcredliner · #3 01-11-2022, 03:46 PM

The Omicron mutation/variant is an example of some of our discussion. It is much more contagious and therefore affects more of those fully vaccinated and obviously a far greater increase of those not vaccinated.
Studies in New York and Seattle show the unvaccinated are many many more times likely to be affected.

While the early returns suggest Omicron is not as severe and will result in less deaths per infection, the much larger number of infections may result in a high number of deaths even if it is a lower percentage of total cases. Regardless, the current level of infection is increasing the number of businesses, schools etc. that feel it is necessary to close and/or require more stringent protective measures because of Omicron. We are headed away from things becoming normal.

This new mutation is infecting a greater number of children than Delta. Unfortunately, children infected seem to have more permanent issues than adults after recovery.

Because the vaccines are less effective preventing Omicron infection, fully vaccinated is now the two shots and the booster. At least one country is developing a fourth shot.

With the huge number of Omicron cases around the world we can expect other mutations will soon appear. And the Delta variant is still around to add to the complexity.

As a sidebar. The percent of Democrats that have been vaccinated is far greater than that of Republicans. How can one justify politics are more important than individual and public health? Or, that of ones children that have no say in the decision?

This didn't have to happen. All that was necessary was to get vaccinated as soon as it was available to each one of us and follow the guidelines.

AVB-AMG · #4 01-11-2022, 04:35 PM

bcredliner:

I agree with your assessment.

FYI, Today, Jan. 11th, 2022, Pfizer announced plans to manufacture 50 - 100 million doses of a new omicron-specific version of its COVID-19 vaccine. They acknowledged that their is a growing concern that their and other pharmaceutical companies’ current vaccine formulations most likely need to be tweaked for the new threat of the Omicron variants and those that will follow.

From what I have read, rapid development and manufacturing changes are possible by the mRNA vaccine technology deployed by Moderna, along with Pfizer, with German partner BioNTech. These companies have said it takes about 90 days from genetic sequencing of a new threat to producing a new lipid nanoparticle vaccine containing the updated mRNA payload, which to me, seems like an incredibly rapid time frame for vaccine development.

Therefore, Pfizer is testing hybrid combinations of vaccines to target multiple coronavirus forms, as well as evaluating the effectiveness of larger doses. Pfizer’s PR department say that they hope to have the number of doses noted above, of this new formulation of their COVID-19 vaccine, to be available by late March to early April, 2022.

I consider this to be very good news and will be one of the first in line to receive this latest version of fourth booster shot. We all now know that our immunity to the constantly evolving COVID-19 virus, whether developing antibodies from being vaccinated or being naturally infected, unfortunately wanes over time. So, while there is no guarantee that receiving this booster will prevent one from catching the virus, similar to having received three vaccination shots so far, I do think and hope that it will continue to make me less susceptible to either catching COVID-19. Or, if I do catch the virus, my symptoms will be relatively minor and short lasting.

I speculate and fully anticipate that COVID-19 will now most likely never go away, but will just continue to mutate producing new variants that may possibly be more transmissible and/or more deadly than earlier variants. It now appears that the major pharmaceutical companies will just continue to modify their vaccines in response to the evolving mutations of the virus for quite some time. I would not be surprised if those of us who want to, will be offered and will elect to receive booster shots for the virus every 6-9 months or annually, similar to the regular influenza vaccinations, for many years to come….

AVB-AMG · #5 01-11-2022, 05:28 PM

I think we all are constantly looking for intelligent, rational, fair, educated voices of people who we can trust and believe for getting accurate and reasonable information on the COVID-19 virus, to assist us in determining and deciding for ourselves what the truth really is.

So for those of you who may be interested, I found this audio podcast to be very interesting and helped me better understand where we are now with the COVID-19 virus pandemic.

Here is a link to a podcast of episode #270 of Sam Harris' "Making Sense" podcast, that is titled:

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THE PANDEMIC? - A Conversation with Nicholas Christakis

FYI, Sam B. Harris is an American philosopher, neuroscientist, author, public intellectual and podcast host. His work, communicated via lectures and his podcast, touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence.

Nicholas A. Christakis is a Greek-American sociologist and physician known for his research on social networks and on the socioeconomic, biosocial, and evolutionary determinants of behavior, health, and longevity. He is the Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University, where he directs the Human Nature Lab.

https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/m...m-the-pandemic

bcredliner · #6 01-11-2022, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVB-AMG

I think we all are constantly looking for intelligent, rational, fair, educated voices of people who we can trust and believe for getting accurate and reasonable information on the COVID-19 virus, to assist us in determining and deciding for ourselves what the truth really is.

So for those of you who may be interested, I found this audio podcast to be very interesting and helped me better understand where we are now with the COVID-19 virus pandemic.

Here is a link to a podcast of episode #270 of Sam Harris' "Making Sense" podcast, that is titled:

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THE PANDEMIC? - A Conversation with Nicholas Christakis

FYI, Sam B. Harris is an American philosopher, neuroscientist, author, public intellectual and podcast host. His work, communicated via lectures and his podcast, touches on a wide range of topics, including rationality, religion, ethics, free will, neuroscience, meditation, psychedelics, philosophy of mind, politics, terrorism, and artificial intelligence.

Nicholas A. Christakis is a Greek-American sociologist and physician known for his research on social networks and on the socioeconomic, biosocial, and evolutionary determinants of behavior, health, and longevity. He is the Sterling Professor of Social and Natural Science at Yale University, where he directs the Human Nature Lab.

https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/m...m-the-pandemic

Sorry, can't agree all of us are always looking for intelligent etc. sources to be better informed. I don't think that is an inherent human trait. I think that is instilled by our experiences in life. It seems we have a natural resistance to change that gets out of our way when we begin looking for the best solutions and truths.

It is time consuming to determine what is the truth. It is easy to draw conclusions from those we admire or idolize rather than make the effort to find out if the sources are reputable.

AVB-AMG · #7 01-11-2022, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bcredliner

Sorry, can't agree all of us are always looking for intelligent etc. sources to be better informed. I don't think that is an inherent human trait. I think that is instilled by our experiences in life. It seems we have a natural resistance to change that gets out of our way when we begin looking for the best solutions and truths.

It is time consuming to determine what is the truth. It is easy to draw conclusions from those we admire or idolize rather than make the effort to find out if the sources are reputable.

Well, I see your point and it may not be an inherent human trait, but one that is taught to those interested and willing to learn. Most of us find comfort in routines and a set group of family, friends and co-workers and tend to form our opinions based on a collective discussion between those groups. But yes, it does take a willingness and effort and ultimately is time consuming to drill down to the truth. So I guess I am speaking for myself and others who like me, strive to try to form our opinions based on facts, honest truth, science and rational objective thinking. I understand and recognize that today in our country and internationally, not everyone is willing to do that. For many reasons, they are unable or unwilling to question the message or the source of information. They may be one or more of the following: uninterested, uneducated, naïve, gullible, intellectually lazy or just want to go along with whatever their friends, family, tribe believe. There is no other honest way to describe those who still refuse to get vaccinated against the COVID-19 virus.

On a related sidebar, is a post I made in the Political Forum Thread awhile back, about "Black and White Beliefs vs Shades of Gray", which you may find interesting and applicable to understanding general politically motivated divisions in groups in our divided country. Here is a link to that post:

https://xoutpost.com/off-topic/polit...ades-gray.html

bcredliner · #8 01-11-2022, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVB-AMG

bcredliner:

I agree with your assessment.

FYI, Today, Jan. 11th, 2022, Pfizer announced plans to manufacture 50 - 100 million doses of a new omicron-specific version of its COVID-19 vaccine. They acknowledged that their isa growing concern that their and other pharmaceutical companies’ current vaccine formulations most likely need to be tweaked for the new threat of the Omicron variants and those that will follow.

From what I have read, rapid development and manufacturing changes are possible by the mRNA vaccine technology deployed by Moderna, along with Pfizer, with German partner BioNTech. These companies have said it takes about 90 days from genetic sequencing of a new threat to producing a new lipid nanoparticle vaccine containing the updated mRNA payload, which to me, seems like an incredibly rapid time frame for vaccine development.

Therefore, Pfizer is testing hybrid combinations of vaccines to target multiple coronavirus forms, as well as evaluating the effectiveness of larger doses. Pfizer’s PR department say that they hope to have the number of doses noted above, of this new formulation of their COVID-19 vaccine, to be available by late March to early April, 2022.

I consider this to be very good news and will be one of the first in line to receive this latest version of fourth booster shot. We all now know that our immunity to the constantly evolving COVID-19 virus, whether developing antibodies from being vaccinated or being naturally infected, unfortunately wanes over time. So, while there is no guarantee that receiving this booster will prevent one from catching the virus, similar to having received three vaccination shots so far, I do think and hope that it will continue to make me less susceptible to either catching COVID-19. Or, if I do catch the virus, my symptoms will be relatively minor and short lasting.

I speculate and fully anticipate that COVID-19 will now most likely never go away, but will just continue to mutate producing new variants that may possibly be more transmissible and/or more deadly than earlier variants. It now appears that the major pharmaceutical companies will just continue to modify their vaccines in response to the evolving mutations of the virus for quite some time. I would not be surprised if those of us who want to, will be offered and will elect to receive booster shots for the virus every 6-9 months or annually, similar to the regular influenza vaccinations, for many years to come….

I agree with your points. Covid is not going to go away based on the amount of worldwide resistant to be vaccinated, to follow the guidelines and the misinformation feeding a position of not being vaccinated. We'll just go from one variant to another. Best case scenario is the mutations become less and less severe. Otherwise, Covid mutations will be a form of human natural selection with the core drivers in the US being political affiliation, personal loyalty to the Trump political party and several associated media outlets.

I agree we will need periodic booster shots. I suspect that like flu shots some boosters will be broadly more effective than others.

ard · #9 02-01-2022, 01:56 AM

Famous cop quit the Washington State police over his refusal to get vaccinated…. Signed off telling governor Insley to ‘kiss my ass’.

Invited on fox, Laura Ingraham lauded him as a celebrity…. He claimed he was fielding all kinds of offers. In November

In January…. he’s dead. Of Covid.

Laura Ingraham ran a piece tonight, acknowledging this tragedy. NOT. (Of course not…Fox will not acknowledge this ever.)

While it is fun to make jokes about the Herman Cain award, and whatnot- at a very basic human level this guy leaves behind a wife and 4 kids all because his information sources were feeding him lies. Same is true for people we see getting kicked off transplant lists for not vaccinating themselves- declaring the rather be dead than give up their freedom. Its a death cult, with fox driving the frenzy.

It is disgusting that Fox and others are exploiting people in a quest to polarize our society…just to create anger and strife. They are craven and cynical, it isnt about ‘freedom’ or ‘choice’…its about how to tear apart Americans. The Murdocks are doing this in every market their cancer has taken hold.

(Deleted political slant…)

AVB-AMG · #10 02-01-2022, 12:54 PM

ard:

Interesting observation and understandable feelings, which I share.
FYI, I do not know if you saw and read this, but here is a link to an Op-Ed piece from The New York Times that appeared on Jan. 30, 2022. It is titled:

How Do You Respond When an Anti-Vaxxer Dies of Covid?

by By James Martin
(Father Martin is a Jesuit priest and the author of “Learning to Pray: A Guide for Everyone.”)

Here is a link to that article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/o...smid=url-share

Here is a tidbit quote from that article:

"It’s not surprising then that when a prominent person who has refused to perform this act of love — particularly when that person has railed publicly against these health-saving measures — dies from Covid, some people are eager to say, “I told you so.” A few go further, mocking those who have died or even trolling their survivors.

This welter of strong feelings can be disorienting: We see someone resisting vaccines or masking (which frustrates us); thus endangering others (which angers us); perhaps even endangering ourselves (which frightens us); and then dying — which should sadden us but, some of us are horrified to discover, doesn’t. Feeling vindicated by someone’s death seems immoral, but it also seems reflexive. Human."

AVB-AMG

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