Hey don't link us Muslims to that... - Page 13

Aimster · #**121** 08-15-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW X5

well iran is a pretty powerful place and syria is a bunch of natural born killers, the palestinians support them, and forget the people for a moment what about the government? doesnt lebanon have alladin gang as members? hmm sort of like having the kkk in power in the White House. and by the way the iraqi president elected by us spoke out against Israel, did you also notice how the french decided to speak out against Israel as well? oh wait france has a very high muslim NOT arab population how strange as a matter of fact didnt one of them say that the halocaust didnt happen? interesting, and saudis said that only because they dont feel like getting involved they have enough heat on their own shit. iran apparently is looking for trouble and syria well they are like a little drop that just wont seem to fall.

So what if they speak out against Israel? People speak out against the U.S all the time. Israel was bombing Lebanon back to the dark ages and many people didn't like that. Every nation has their own way of dealing with things. So you think that govts. who spoke out against Israel are anti-Jewish pro-Muslim? LoL. France talks crap about Iran 24.7 as well. So much for being pro-Muslim - pro-hezbollah. France's Muslim population does not influence their govt.. hell france banned headscarfs inside their country.

Lebanon's government is a Democracy with the leaders pro-U.S. Hezbollah has cabinet seats but they consist of less than 10% (I believe the actual number is 3-5%). Last year Syria was inside Lebanon and they controlled everything. They left because Lebanese people went into the streets because they accused Syria of killing the pro-west leader (Haifi?).

Lebanon has no army. Their army is basically a security force if that. Lebanon is very vulnerable to civil war. They just had a very bloody civil war not too long ago. They could not stop Hezbollah without destroying their country.

You can blame the UN for not doing anything about Hezbollah. The UN is a joke.

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BMW X5 · #**122** 08-15-2006, 03:01 PM

look over that list again then go back to where Sweden, Switzerland and New Zealand were listed and look at whats in common there. They are European. the main point of my post was that we have a diverse latin and african american population hence majority of the crime rate is performed by them. Reference my article for whites are a minority in NYC from the New York times. Yes you are diverse but you are diverse with civilized nations we are diverse in general and as i said earlier they take thier habits with them. and of course this post will open up a flame war on me and a whole new can of warms

B-Line · #**123** 08-15-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tijanaw

I'm really shocked you had the guts to post this crap. Not only you guys are misinformed but disrespecting Mohammad is just plain stupid.

I have to agree with Tij on this one.. No reason to disrespect others religious icons.. It certainley won't get us any further to world peace.

However Tij... Treat others as you would like to be treated.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750471.html

btw, these cartoons, as much as I might not like them, will not have me burning down churches, mosques and religious centers. I might not like them but freedom of speech works in both directions.

Aimster · #**124** 08-15-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW X5

when was the last time the mosque was threatened by the Jews? when was the last time Jews bombed a muslim wedding? very odd i dont quite remember. not against Jews but U.S. and Israel well who lives in Israel? if iran protects the Jews there why doesnt it say to the 50000 to get the hell out and go to Israel and protect Israel? or just protect Israel? they are 80-90% Jewish

Why the hell is Iran going to tell the Jews to get out of Iran? What the for? There is no reason for Iran to tell the Jews to get out of Iran. If Iran told the Jews to get out that would mean Iran is anti-Jewish. There is no evidence to suggest Iran is anti-Jewish. They have done everything they can to protect the minority and you are twisting it around. Maybe it is time to accept the fact that a Muslim nation has done something to protect the Jews.

If you haven't noticed, Jewish Iranians are very nationalistic. They still wave Iranian flags next to the Jewish flag. Hell at one point the President of Israel and the President of Iran spoke farsi together.

I can bring up a couple cases of Jews attacking Muslims and you can bring up a couple cases of Muslims attacking Jews in the U.S. Yet, neither of us can bring up a handful of cases. The point being there is no Jewish-Muslim war going on here in the U.S and there is no threat to the Jews by Muslims or vise versa.

tijanaw · #**125** 08-15-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW X5

well iran is a pretty powerful place and syria is a bunch of natural born killers, the palestinians support them, and forget the people for a moment what about the government? doesnt lebanon have alladin gang as members? hmm sort of like having the kkk in power in the White House. and by the way the iraqi president elected by us spoke out against Israel, did you also notice how the french decided to speak out against Israel as well? oh wait france has a very high muslim NOT arab population how strange as a matter of fact didnt one of them say that the halocaust didnt happen? interesting, and saudis said that only because they dont feel like getting involved they have enough heat on their own shit. iran apparently is looking for trouble and syria well they are like a little drop that just wont seem to fall.

FYI, France doesn't have "very high muslim Not Arab population", anywhere bet 3 and 4 millions and most of them ARE actually Arabs from the Maghreb.

tijanaw · #**126** 08-15-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by B-Line

I have to agree with Tij on this one.. No reason to disrespect others religious icons.. It certainley won't get us any further to world peace.

However Tij... Treat others as you would like to be treated.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750471.html

btw, these cartoons, as much as I might not like them, will not have me burning down churches, mosques and religious centers. I might not like them but freedom of speech works in both directions.

Hey we see eye to eye there

, we all know about Iran, they are not a reference 4 me!

Aimster · #**127** 08-15-2006, 03:14 PM

Iran is run by a bunch of fanatical wackos.

Get rid of the regime and the people of Iran will be pro-U.S, pro-democracy.

But the question remains, how will we get rid of the regime?

BMW X5 · #**128** 08-15-2006, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aimster

So what if they speak out against Israel? People speak out against the U.S all the time. Israel was bombing Lebanon back to the dark ages and many people didn't like that. Every nation has their own way of dealing with things. So you think that govts. who spoke out against Israel are anti-Jewish pro-Muslim? LoL. France talks crap about Iran 24.7 as well. So much for being pro-Muslim - pro-hezbollah. France's Muslim population does not influence their govt.. hell france banned headscarfs inside their country.

Lebanon's government is a Democracy with the leaders pro-U.S. Hezbollah has cabinet seats but they consist of less than 10% (I believe the actual number is 3-5%). Last year Syria was inside Lebanon and they controlled everything. They left because Lebanese people went into the streets because they accused Syria of killing the pro-west leader (Haifi?).

Lebanon has no army. Their army is basically a security force if that. Lebanon is very vulnerable to civil war. They just had a very bloody civil war not too long ago. They could not stop Hezbollah without destroying their country.

You can blame the UN for not doing anything about Hezbollah. The UN is a joke.

Israel had a reason to bomb them, it wasnt against them but they just happen to harbor a criminal. if your house had criminals most wanted etc... the fbi would knock your door down as well.

BMW X5 · #**129** 08-15-2006, 03:26 PM

point is if iran is run by whacos the people put them there NO?
president of Israel and iran speaking together in farsi is very touching, and Jews in the US wave the American flag and Israeli flag as well that doesnt say much. iran is against the state of Israel, Israel the land of the Jews hence by distributive property iran is against Jews, it doesnt get rid of them because then there would be more outcries and yes they would be openly admiting being anti

Eric5273 · #**130** 08-15-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by drex

Let's see, 2006-50-1956.

I can think of wars: Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq. (ok, so throw in Korea if you think that was a war, and technically, I'm not so sure Vietnam was our war, but ok).

What other wars are you talking about?

Whether or not they declare it as an "official" war, I do not care. Sending troops overseas and attacking a country is considered "war".

So besides the ones you list, we have:

1956: Marines sent into Egypt to seize control of Suez Canal.

1958: 14,000 Marines occupy Lebanon and fight against rebels

1958: Marines sent to Panama to protect dictatorship from rebels

1959: Marines sent to Haiti to protect dictator from communist rebels - they stay in Haiti until 1963

1960: Covert special ops team invades Conga and overthrows and assassinates democractically elected Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba

1962: 5,000 Marines sent to Thailand to fight against communist rebels

1964: Marines again sent to Panama again to prop up dictatorship

1964: Marines sent to Brazil to give support for military coup and overthrow of democratically elected president

1965: 20,000 Marines sent to the Dominican Republic to help the dictatorship fight against rebels. Air Force also bombs. Marines stay there for more than a year.

1968-1970: US Air Force bombs Cambodia

1970: US troops participate along with Iranian marines as they invade Oman

1970: US troops invade Cambodia

1971: US Air Force carpet-bombs Laos

1975: US Air Force bombs Cambodia again

1976: US troops assist South-African backed rebels in Angola

1981: US troops invade El Salvador to help dictatorship fight against rebels

1983: Marines invade and occupy Greneda

1986: US Air Force bombs Libya

1989: Marines invade Panama and overthrow General Noriega's dictatorship and install new dictatorship

1992: US troops invade Somalia to help fight against one faction in a civil war

1998: US Air Force bombs Sudan and Afghanistan

2001: US troops invade Afghanistan after a month-long bombing campaign

2003: US troops invade Liberia and remove President Charles Taylor from power

2004: US troops invade Haiti and remove democratically elected president Aristide from power

And that is not even counting all the covert operations such as the support for Al-Queda in Afghanistan during the 1980s, or support for the Contras, or support for various military coups like the one in Chile in 1973.

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Originally Posted by drex

LIAR LIAR LIAR.

Colombia0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States0.042802 per 1,000 people

If you notice, I said "industrialized countries". Your list there is a bunch of third world countries and a few former soviet republics. But I suppose the former soviet republics qualify as industrialized.

Care to post the murder rates for the countries in Western Europe, or for Canada, or even Japan or China? You know...countries that are on par with the United States as far as what we consider "civilized".

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Originally Posted by drex

We have police and jail because we don't let citizens take care of their own problems and because we don't kill people or chop off their hands, tongues, etc. for crimes they commit.

Yes, and we just keep packing more and more people away in jails. In 1973, there were 7 prisons here in New York State. Today there are 73 prisons in New York State. And the population of New York has not grown since 1973. The rest of the country has seen a similar trend.

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