I agree, we must change the rules like they do, its upsetting when the Dam democrates want to give the same rights to terrorsits that americans have and have legal representation....... One thing the terrorists and France say is true Americans(democrates) will destroy america.

1) take God out of america - Democrates
2) weaken our military - Dems
3) have a huge government with tremendous taxes to pay for it - Dems
4) over tax the rich so they leave with there money and employment - Dems
5) turn our backs on Israel - Dems
6) etc etc etc

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The imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, while wrong, is a spurious analogy. Those were not foreign enemy combatants. Those were American citizens. Tax-payers. Law-abiding citizens. That was a terrible policy decision. But, as you pointed out, they were IMPRISONED, not tortured.

The U.S. is "hated" by the Muslim world largely for these reasons:

1. Our consistent support of the state of Israel since its founding in 1948.

2. Our support of secular, fairly ruthless dictators in the Middle East (e.g., the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein) during the period beginning after WW II through the 1980s. These 2 guys, plus other less important figures, brutalized their populations and kept a lid on fundamental Islamic ideology and behavior in their countries.

3. Operation Desert Storm, which was viewed as an "invasion" of a sovereign Arab/Muslim nation. And even worse, the fact that we stationed large numbers of American troops in the "holiest" Islamic country (Saudi Arabia) during and after the Gulf War.

4. A view that the West (and America, in particular) breeds and EXPORTS fundamentally immoral, decadent cultural practices such as alcohol use, promiscuous sex, homosexuality, dancing, women being treated as "men", etc. On that last point, it is viewed as repugnant that a woman can wear "skimpy" clothing (i.e., not cover herself head-to-toe with clothing), pursue an education, eat dinner in the same restaurant as men, and hold political office.

Blondboi, if you attempted to pursue your way of life in the Muslim world, you would be tortured and beheaded in a New York minute.



Point #3 above, in particular, is what led to the birth and rise of Al-Quaida.

The alleged "torture" of enemy combatants by the United States began WELL AFTER we were already "hated".

First point: they are alleged terrorists. Until they are put on trial and convicted, they are not guilty. Last I checked, not a single detainee being held at one of our overseas prisons (including Camp X-Ray) has been convicted of any crime. Most of them have been held for over 4 years.

More than half of the detainees who were being held at Camp X-Ray have been released over the past 2 years with all charges against them being dropped, an obvious admission that they were being held by mistake. So do not assume they are terrorists. Many of them (or perhaps most of them) are innocent.

Second point: it is spelled Democrats

Democrates was the greek philosopher who first wrote about democracy.


Yes, it is certainly the Democrats that want a huge government





Take a look at the income tax rate over the years for the highest tax bracket:

http://www.ctj.org/images/rates.gif

Looks to me like the highest rates since WWII were during the Eisenhower Administration (a Republican) when the wealthiest Americans paid 91% in taxes. It also looks like the highest Capital Gains tax rates since WWII were during the Nixon & Ford Administrations (both Republicans) when the Capital Gains tax rate was 36.5%-39.9%.

It looks like the President who lowered the highest income tax rate the most since WWII was LBJ (a Democrat) who lowered the by rate 21%. And it looks like the President who lowered the Capital Gains tax rate the most since WWII was Carter who lowered the rate by 11% (from 39% to 28%).

It would seem that it's the Republicans who like big government, large deficits and high taxes, not the Democrats.

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You suck! What have you got to worry about, you aren't serving your country anyway!

Suck it up & accept it as they know more about what's going on than you anyway. If there is a way for the interrogation of terrorists to get info in any way possible I'm all for it. If it may save the lives of hundreds or thousands of people then toture the hell out of them! They're animals and need to be treated as such.

In a rare departure from civility, I would answer this diatribe in the following manner:

...Are you fu*king kidding me? Who gives a sh*t about your purported popularity contest? Your mere suggestion that we should adapt our policies concerning the war on terror so as to be viewed favorably in world opinion polls is devoid of logic and absolutely lacking in any cerebral function.

We may have imprisoned Japanese & Germans & others, but we did not start WWII anymore than did we attack ourselves on 9/11. Someone earlier in this post stated that our enemies have changed and so to should our tactics....Here, here. And torturing someone with 'water' and 'chili peppers', while unusual, is hardly cruel in the scope of what could be employed (ie tearing someones finger nails off of them, tearing their ears off and feeding it to them as their only source of food, driving ice-picks through body parts). You, who quote the Geneva Convention, as if it were holier than the bible, have never picked up a weapon or raised your hand to defend the constitution of these United States. You have no idea what the fog of war is like nor what the consequences of our inactions would be. I need only point out how many occassions (Kobar Tower, U.S.S. Cole, World Trade Center x2, Embassies abroad, et al) we were attacked during the democratic administration prior to George Bush. A lot of good pacifism and 'turning the other cheek' did for us in the years before 9/11 during Clinton's stay in office.

That's the problem with you left-wing fringe types, you have no handle on rationalism. You resort to rhetoric and public opinion polls to see the direction in which you should govern.

If you feel so, for those who would harm us, then take up arms with them.

Unbelievable.

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Great points inlacal! For someone to only bitch about this country and it's policies without serving for it gives their opinions a lack of validation in my book.

bmwx5lover: Was this an answer to his question? Or is it that you don't have a constructive comment? Whatever. Nobody else is resorting to the method your using to have a civil conversation. Do us all a favor, dignify us with some reasonable comportment. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation then perhaps you should listen. In doing so you may learn something.

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First, before you start using historical references to party-lines (LBJ/Eisenhower, et al) one can make the case that modern day Republicans were the Democrats of old.

I hardly doubt, that in this day and age, Harry Truman would be labeled a Democrat.

Your historical references on top of your politically devisive flow-chart, while entertaining, do nothing to support your cause. You try to infer that there is a directly proportional link between increasing the national debt and 'big government'. While I'm sure you can make a case or give examples, they absolutely do not go hand in hand.

And seriously...Don't even try to state that a democrat in office automatically equal's lower taxes...Especially a modern day (Kerry/H. Clinton, et al). This would be laughable if it weren't so offensive to ones' intelligence. Modern day Democrats (read: NOT Harry Truman; NOT JFK) are the biggest bunch of tax and spend socialists in the history of the free world. It seems to me that everytime the left is criticizing a sitting Republican president, that the economy is doing pretty damned good (Reagan, Bush Jr as examples).

The fringe left continue to be our enemies best friend and political speed bumps as it pertains to our nations war on terror around the world. I'm guaranteeing you that, upon the next democratic administration, we will hardly be doing as well as we are now. Historically, the national debt says nothing about the future health of our country, yet all of you left wing fringe-types lean upon it as 'the resource' or 'the measuring stick' in which to grade a sitting republican administration. Consumer confidence is up; inflation is in check, American's, as a whole, are earning more and are taxed less, unemployment is at least a point or two lower than it was during Clinton's administration and we are fighting a global war on terror!!! Lest we not forget what your clever flow-chart would look like if we weren't spending billions a month on said-war.

Then what would you have to resort to?

The usual suspects for the left: Rhetoric, devciveness, tax & spend, socialism (under the auspicies of 'democracy of course'), pacificity, expansion of a welfare country and on and on.

Try relying less on hyperbole and bullsh*t as your assets when it comes to governing. And while you are at it, the whole "Bush-lied-people-died" is fu*king tired. I mean, who comes up with these catchy, rhetorical one-liners? Johnny Cochran? You are the party of Michael Moore, Martin Sheen, Cindy Sheehan, Harry Reid, Howard Dean, John Kerry & Hilary Clinton, and the list of degenerate ingrates goes on and on and on. A brilliant bunch of loons, I say!

CUE clips of JFK & Harry Truman rolling over in their graves...

The lot of you held Reagan in contempt while he was in office. I'd ask you to concede how wrong you all were then, but for the most-part, your party is too arrogant and self-righteous to admit when it is wrong. Criticize Bush all you want, but there hasn't been a president since FDR and Truman, who has been as unswerving and unrelenting in principle as Bush is.

While I don't necessarily agree with every action Bush has taken, he has my unequivocal support as a constituent, a citizen and as an American. I know how history will grade Bush and you left-wing socialist types are entirely predictable: Criticize now and then spin later when asked for historical commentary.

Nice.

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