Guess Pony cars is all they know how to do - Page 3

Thunder22 · #21 01-07-2007, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Chevy Camaro Convertible Concept Debuts at NAIAS 2007
January 5, 2007

The Chevrolet Camaro concept was one of the stars of NAIAS 2006. For NAIAS 2007, Chevy unveils the convertible version of the Camaro concept.

The Camaro convertible concept, wrapped in Hugger Orange pearl tri-coat paint with twin gunmetal gray sport stripes, is based on the original Camaro concept, with only minor changes required to accommodate the convertible body style.

Chevrolet already has announced production plans for the Camaro, which will go on sale in 2009. A production convertible model will be added later that year.

http://www.naias.com/SubPage.aspx?id=2164

I think that Vete is great but bring back the Camaro is really not necessary.

Why does GM have to make similar models they would be better off offering a low end version of the Vete.

ok, here ya go, you want to know why GM killed the Camaro originally?

Read this:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...vrolet_camaro/

And you want to know why GM brought it back? It's simple, Ford brought back the Mustang, DC brought the Charger back and probably will bring the Challenger back. There is a market for these types of cars and GM would be idiots to not get back in the game. In fact, if they sat this out, they would villified for not, much as you're villifying them for getting back in. Damned if you do.... (there are other reasons, but you can google them).

To address your comment about building a lower end Vette, in principle, the Camaro IS the lower end Corvette. GM will NEVER EVER damage the heritage of what is a Corvette by dumbing it down with a sub par engine package and slapping the name Corvette on it. Corvette is what gets some people into the dealeships, the technology that is built for the Vette is what winds up in the other Chevy models a few years later, and if they EVER damaged the heritage that is one of the most loved American automotive icons by dumbing it down, it would be their last desperate act before selling Saturn to Toyota and shutting the doors of every GM manufacturing plant.

And THAT Mr. Blue is why.

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E61Silver · #22 01-07-2007, 09:59 PM

Hears an interesting quote:

Camero looks very cool, stylish and hot, but.... I think it is only for these who drive 85 mph, does any one see the Camry 2007 and Civic 2006, it is the kind of cars GM should be making, appealing to mainstream consumers, when I went to the Saturn dealer in state college, pew... Forget about it, I got a Civic, even though feeling a little bit ripped off, but would feel much worse if I went with a Saturn!
Wake up, Mr. Lutz, either make something people like or become Indepence Air who stop running 5 days ago!

Posted by: Stan Whittingham at January 10, 2006 09:41 AM

Wagner · #23 01-07-2007, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gresch

ok, here ya go, you want to know why GM killed the Camaro originally?

Read this:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...vrolet_camaro/

And you want to know why GM brought it back? It's simple, Ford brought back the Mustang, DC brought the Charger back and probably will bring the Challenger back. There is a market for these types of cars and GM would be idiots to not get back in the game. In fact, if they sat this out, they would villified for not, much as you're villifying them for getting back in. Damned if you do.... (there are other reasons, but you can google them).

To address your comment about building a lower end Vette, in principle, the Camaro IS the lower end Corvette. GM will NEVER EVER damage the heritage of what is a Corvette by dumbing it down with a sub par engine package and slapping the name Corvette on it. Corvette is what gets some people into the dealeships, the technology that is built for the Vette is what winds up in the other Chevy models a few years later, and if they EVER damaged the heritage that is one of the most loved American automotive icons by dumbing it down, it would be their last desperate act before selling Saturn to Toyota and shutting the doors of every GM manufacturing plant.

And THAT Mr. Blue is why.

Thunder22 · #24 01-07-2007, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

Hears an interesting quote:

Camero looks very cool, stylish and hot, but.... I think it is only for these who drive 85 mph, does any one see the Camry 2007 and Civic 2006, it is the kind of cars GM should be making, appealing to mainstream consumers, when I went to the Saturn dealer in state college, pew... Forget about it, I got a Civic, even though feeling a little bit ripped off, but would feel much worse if I went with a Saturn!
Wake up, Mr. Lutz, either make something people like or become Indepence Air who stop running 5 days ago!

Posted by: Stan Whittingham at January 10, 2006 09:41 AM

Camry's and Civics (nissans too) are no better than US manufactured cars these days. The interiors are spartan and made from the same cheap plastic parts and polyester seats. The American public has a US manufacturer hangover from years of sub-par products. GM and Ford are now making equal or superior products, unfortunately so many US buyers have been burned by the cars from the 80's and early 90's that it is tough to get the US buyer back in the US manufacturer's show rooms. To do that, they will have to beat the japanese with styling, they already equal or better them in reliability. The Chargers, Sky/Vue, Camaro's, etc are the beginning of that.

And what's good for GM is good for the US.

Here endeth the lesson.

And I will leave you with this Billy Madison quote:

Billy Madison: Well, I made the duck blue because I'd never seen a blue duck before and I wanted to see one.
Miss Lippy: Well, I think it's an excellent blue duck. Congratulations Billy, you just passed the first grade.
Billy Madison: Wow, Miss Lippy, that's great. What do you think of that Mr. Blue Duck?
[pretending to be duck]
Billy Madison: That's quacktastic.

E61Silver · #25 01-07-2007, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gresch

ok, here ya go, you want to know why GM killed the Camaro originally?

Read this:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...vrolet_camaro/

And you want to know why GM brought it back? It's simple, Ford brought back the Mustang, DC brought the Charger back and probably will bring the Challenger back. There is a market for these types of cars and GM would be idiots to not get back in the game. In fact, if they sat this out, they would villified for not, much as you're villifying them for getting back in. Damned if you do.... (there are other reasons, but you can google them).

To address your comment about building a lower end Vette, in principle, the Camaro IS the lower end Corvette. GM will NEVER EVER damage the heritage of what is a Corvette by dumbing it down with a sub par engine package and slapping the name Corvette on it. Corvette is what gets some people into the dealeships, the technology that is built for the Vette is what winds up in the other Chevy models a few years later, and if they EVER damaged the heritage that is one of the most loved American automotive icons by dumbing it down, it would be their last desperate act before selling Saturn to Toyota and shutting the doors of every GM manufacturing plant.

And THAT Mr. Blue is why.

I think you should consider this:

1)Ford never stopped building the Mustang and they don't have a close model like GM with the Vete.
2) The Charger is an four door that applies to a different buyer than the Chrysler
3) Both Ford and Chrysler are also trouble so doing what they do is questionable at best.

Thunder22 · #26 01-07-2007, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

I think you should consider this:

1)Ford never stopped building the Mustang and they don't have a close model like GM with the Vete.
2) The Charger is an four door that applies to a different buyer than the Chrysler
3) Both Ford and Chrysler are also trouble so doing what they do is questionable at best.

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine

Michelle · #27 01-07-2007, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gresch

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine

Wagner · #28 01-07-2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x54.4blue

I think you should consider this:

1)Ford never stopped building the Mustang and they don't have a close model like GM with the Vete.
2) The Charger is an four door that applies to a different buyer than the Chrysler
3) Both Ford and Chrysler are also trouble so doing what they do is questionable at best.

1) Ford never built a direct rival for the Corvette. Ford had the Mustang initially to rival the GTO from Pontiac (GM). Then Camaro entered from Chevrolet. Mustangs were never built to "fight" a Vette. That was the GT-40's role at $150k.

2) The Charger holds its roots in the 2 door coupe, it morphed to a 4 door because Dodge wasn't sure how to handle an unknown market and was ramping up to go against the 'new' GTO, which was a modified Grand Am/Prix. The Challenger will be a 2dr 'Muscle' car to go against the Mustang/Camaro.

3) Ford owns many different car manufacturers (Ford|Lincoln|Mercury|Mazda|Aston Martin|Jaguar|Volvo|Land Rover)....Ford as a company is not in trouble. Chrysler is now in the bank book of MB, therefore...no trouble there. It is called broadening market share by purchasing the competition.

Thunder22 · #29 01-07-2007, 10:18 PM

If Mr. Blue would care to read the link I presented to him in a previous post, he would realize that the reason that GM killed the F body RWD cars had more to do with unfavorable labor contracts in Canada than anything else.

But then again, I refer you back to my first post in this thread where I predicted that entering into a discussion on this topic would only lead to frustration and futility.

E61Silver · #30 01-07-2007, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gresch

Camry's and Civics (nissans too) are no better than US manufactured cars these days. The interiors are spartan and made from the same cheap plastic parts and polyester seats. The American public has a US manufacturer hangover from years of sub-par products. GM and Ford are now making equal or superior products, unfortunately so many US buyers have been burned by the cars from the 80's and early 90's that it is tough to get the US buyer back in the US manufacturer's show rooms. To do that, they will have to beat the japanese with styling, they already equal or better them in reliability.

I agree with your comments on quality. However the problem with the big three is that the only way they know how to make money is selling gas sucking SUV's and Trucks. These sales have dropped off due to gas prices. So now they pin their hopes on big engine, gas sucking pony cars. It sure does not sound like a plan for the future to me.

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