Its your problem becouse you put them in power and by doing so say you won.

That is our problem. After "completing" the military phase we went light speed to give them a chance for "democratic" election. It is like asking a toddler participate in elections. Not every society can make that switch that fast. Great multitude of political processes inside the coutry(without foreign influence) has to take place over many, many, many years and quite possibly generations for it to have an open mind towards democracy, monarchy, dictatorship.

Victors are not judged. But there is no imaginable way of US and its allies coming out of that country as Victorious as we were led to believe.

As far as their"impotent" government is concerned, thay are not very far from ours. When the greatest minds have no clue of what to to in Iraq, what can you expect of the government that is in the state of infacy with its people cutting each others throats by hundreds week in and week out.

History proved that for a foreing power to be succesful in a given country thay have to take everything from its people(land, rights, life). You have to have stomach strong enough for genocide or something close to it. If you do not do that every gallon of gasoline from that region that we'll be putting into our nice vehicles is gonna be stained by blood of thousands of troops and husdreds of thousands of civilians.

I might be going on a limb here, but I believe this a prelude to a mass military conflict that will involve lots and lots of countries in the region and the world.

So let's get out now, is that what you're saying?

Makes sense. You say we "pushed" them into democracy too fast, so let's just leave them swinging in the breeze. Very well thought-out and mature.

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By us staying there military with nothing reasonable political scenarios to offer we'll see endless stream of coffins coming home, mothers losing their sons and daughters, US being hated all-over the world. Name One country in the entire world where people consider us allies or at least do not hate us. We have no clue of who we are fighting.

The slightest chance we have is trying to put together a consortium of Arab countries to hand the country over, get out of the region completely and start paying $6-$7 a gallon- Just like the rest of the world does.

Staying in the middle of the endless, revenge fueled ethnic clensing only might slow it down but not stop it.

I've heard this over and over and it's simply BS. Iraq was a parlamentary dictatorship under Saddam. What it means is that there were elections and people voted for members of the parlament and Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds all held many positions in the parlament. So the people of Iraq know exactly what democracy is. The only difference now is that instead of Saddam as "president for life", the prime minister was chosen by the Parlament. The voting process for the people was the same, except perhaps with more choices than in the past.

This whole idea is probably the fault of our own media. Those pictures of the people with the purple paint on their fingers would make you think these people had never seen a ballot box before in their lives.

The issue here is that this country should not be a country and it never should have been. It should be 2 or 3 different countries. The British drew the borders this way to "divide and conquer" -- to keep infighting going on amongst the Iraqi people so as not to allow them to unify and kick the British out.

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The media and our administration made it out to be as though Iraqi's had never voted in their lives. Were their options limited, YES. Was there a free and open election process, NO. However, there was an election process. I can't recall who it was that said it but one leader said of Israel, "just because the voted, didn't make it democratic"

The whole middle east has a portion of the problems it has today because the ruling "empires" at the time thought they were smart enough to know who should live with who. A while back I made the comparison to if China, Russia and Britain decided to make a colony out of Kansas and put the Taliban there, how upset would the US be? It is similar to what happened with many of the middle easter "countries" now.

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We voted in the Soviet Union - would you call that democratic too?

I think you are missing the point.

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Actually, he's not. You are.

Just because people can vote, doesn't mean it's truly a democracy. Is anyone free to run for any office? Are people forced to vote for certain people/parties (or not to vote for same)?

Plenty of countries have elections. If you think that truly makes them democratic, you're smoking better stuff than I have access to.

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I demand justice.
Or, if there must be injustice, let it be in my favor.

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