Shooting at Virginia Tech - Page 12

the head · #**111** 04-18-2007, 01:09 PM

Black, Hispanic, Caucasian is no the issue gang violence is the primary problem...although gangs are most commonly associated with different races...it has nothing to do with genetics...while there is a element to it that stems from poverty (remember a lot of poor white people live in rural areas as opposed to innercity areas which somewhat accounts for the diminished violent crime)...it has much more to do with location/education/gang affiliation then anything else.

As for a solution I think that is difficult to offer...short of imprisioning any and all gang members...or letting them kill eachother there are not many other options...another arguement on other countries violent crime rates being lower...how many of those countries have as divirse of a population as the united states?

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tijanaw · #**112** 04-18-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

I ask the question again, "why do you think that is the case?"

Do you think it is in the genes that black people are more likely to commit murder? If that is the case, then it would seem to follow that the highest murder rates in the world would be African nations. But while a few of them are high up on the list, most are not.

And my next question for you is "what should our leaders do to fix this problem?" Or do you think nothing at all can be done and we are stuck with having this insanely high murder rate in our inner cities forever?

We're on the same side, the forum is acting up, quotes are being attributed to the wrong people!

rebound · #**113** 04-18-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vinuneuro

Quit whining..it's the same as what you quoted. I forgot to quote thehead so deleted and quoted him.

Whining?

Don't think so.

You're the one that changed what you said. If it's the same, why change it?

Either way, you're wrong.

rebound · #**114** 04-18-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tijanaw

I'm not arguing nor am I trying to change your mind, nice try including Bill Cosby in your response. Anyway, like I said I'm done with you!

Why is it wrong to include Bill Cosby?

Because he's right? Or because he's African-American?

the head · #**115** 04-18-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd

What really worries me is the freaks who see all this media coveredge and will try and stage a copycat attack, that is what REALLY freaks me out

The only way to prevent that is to provide no media coverage at all...people that do this want to be seen...if you neglect to provide them that attention they are seeking then it will (in some cases) reduce the problem.

tijanaw · #**116** 04-18-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by the head

Black, Hispanic, Caucasian is no the issue gang violence is the primary problem...although gangs are most commonly associated with different races...it has nothing to do with genetics...while there is a element to it that stems from poverty (remember a lot of poor white people live in rural areas as opposed to innercity areas which somewhat accounts for the diminished violent crime)...it has much more to do with location/education/gang affiliation then anything else.

As for a solution I think that is difficult to offer...short of imprisioning any and all gang members...or letting them kill eachother there are not many other options...another arguement on other countries violent crime rates being lower...how many of those countries have as divirse of a population as the united states?

Thank you

B-Line · #**117** 04-18-2007, 02:59 PM

I have not read this whole thread, it has gotten way too long..
But I want to add my opinion of gun control.

First, let me say, I am a gun owner. I own a handgun, several shotgun's and rifle's. I started shooting trap and skeet with my dad, when I was a kid. I learned to respect and use guns in a safe and appropriate manner at an early age.

Having said that, I am also for much tighter gun control laws. I do not think that guns should be illegal, taken away, or restricted to police/military.

I do think however, guns should be MUCH more difficult to purchase. Including, testing, background checks, finger printing, longer wait periods, qualification, etc.

So you can belive in "Gun Control" and also belive in the "Right to Bear Arms" They are not mutually exclusive.

-- I also don't think that having tighter Gun Control laws would have done anything in this situation at VT.

Until people stop wanting to commit acts of evil, there is little to nothing, society can really do to stop them. This kid could have just as easily climbed aboard a university bus and blown it up with 50 passengers.

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rebound · #**118** 04-18-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tijanaw

While some focused blame only on the gunman, world opinion over U.S. gun laws was almost unanimous: Access to weapons increases the probability of shootings. There was no sympathy for the view that more guns would have saved lives by enabling students to shoot the assailant.

"We took action to limit the availability of guns and we showed a national resolve that the gun culture that is such a negative in the United States would never become a negative in our country," said Australian Prime Minister John Howard, who staked his political career on promoting tough gun laws after a gunman went on one of the world's deadliest killing sprees 11 years ago.

The tragedy in a Tasmanian tourist resort left 35 people dead. Afterward, Australia's gun laws were changed to prohibit automatic weapons and handguns and toughen licensing and storage restrictions.

Handguns are also banned in Britain - a prohibition that forces even the country's Olympic pistol shooting team from practicing on its own soil. In Sweden, civilians can acquire firearm permits only if they have a hunting license or are members of a shooting club and have no criminal record. In Italy, people must have a valid reason for wanting one. Firearms are forbidden for private Chinese citizens.

"Only the names change - And the numbers," read a headline in the Times of London. "Why, we ask, do Americans continue to tolerate gun laws and a culture that seems to condemn thousands of innocents to death every year, when presumably, tougher restrictions, such as those in force in European countries, could at least reduce the number?"

But even in Germany, where gun-control laws are strict, a teenager in 2002 shot and killed 12 teachers, a secretary, two students and a police officer at a high school. The shooter was a gun club member licensed to own weapons. The attack led Germany to raise the age for owning recreational firearms from 18 to 21.

In Italy, there are three types of licenses for gun ownership: for personal safety, target practice and skeet shooting, and hunting. Authorization is granted by the police. To obtain a gun for personal safety, the owner must be an adult and have a "valid" reason.

Mayor of Nagasaki, Japan gunned down by Yakuza - 04-18-2007 , 01:53 AM

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NAGASAKI — Nagasaki Mayor Itcho Ito was shot in front of JR Nagasaki Station on Tuesday evening, according to news reports.

Ito was taken to a local hospital, however details of his condition have not yet been made available. He did not respond to questions asked by paramedics.The man who shot Ito was subdued on the spot before police apprehended him.Ito is running for the mayoral election slated for April 22 to seek his 4th term. (Mainichi)

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Mayor Iccho Ito was shot on a street near his office, just in front of Nagasaki train station, according to local police official Isao Teramoto.A man with links to organized crime was quickly detained, according to Kyodo News agency. NHK footage from Nagasaki showed several officers escorting a man into a police car, and an ambulance leaving the scene.

It was the second shooting in recent years of a mayor of Nagasaki, which was destroyed by a U.S. atomic bomb in 1945 and whose leaders have actively campaigned against militarism.

In 1990, former Nagasaki mayor Hitoshi Motoshima was shot and seriously wounded in 1990 after saying Japan’s emperor, beloved by rightists, bore some responsibility for World War II.

Yakuza are the Japanese mafia .

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Gun control in Japan is the most stringent in the democratic world. The weapons law begins by stating 'No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords', and very few exceptions are allowed. Gun ownership is minuscule, and so is gun crime. As gun crime in other nations increases, many advocates of gun control urge that Japan's gun control policy be imitated.

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And yet, the MAYOR of Nagasaki is gunned down in front of a train station. Looks like criminals will find ways to get what they want, regardless of laws. That's why they're called CRIMINALS.

Eric5273 · #**119** 04-18-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rebound

Looks like criminals will find ways to get what they want, regardless of laws. That's why they're called CRIMINALS.

Why does the United States have more of these CRIMINALS per capita than all of the other industrialized countries of the world? Are we just unlucky by pure chance?

And for the person who said it is all because of gang violence, why does the United States have a worse gang problem than all of the other industrialized countries of the world?

Wagner · #**120** 04-18-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Why does the United States have more of these CRIMINALS per capita than all of the other industrialized countries of the world? Are we just unlucky by pure chance?

And for the person who said it is all because of gang violence, why does the United States have a worse gang problem than all of the other industrialized countries of the world?

I don't think either of those apply to what happened at VT. At all.

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