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No, but I will debate you on whether we should believe the claims made by Dr. Blaylock. Let's start with the Skeptic's Dictionary. He gets a page there:





Lots more fun facts at this link here: Russell Blaylock, M.D. - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

It is worth reading this link, as there is a lot of evidence-based information included.

Dr. Blaylock's wonder pills, marketed as the Brain Repair Formula, are sold here: Brain Repair Formula by Dr. Russell Blaylock

If I was cynical I could suggest that one should FOLLOW THE MONEY to Dr. Blaylock and his pills. But I am not cynical, so I will go on the assumption that he is giving them away to deserving people, and not selling them for a profit. The part where he asks his followers to send him $100 for a 30 day supply of vitamin pills must be wrong.

Beware false prophets. I read that once. I can't remember what verse it was, sorry.
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No, but I will debate you on whether we should believe the claims made by Dr. Blaylock. Let's start with the Skeptic's Dictionary. He gets a page there:





Lots more fun facts at this link here: Russell Blaylock, M.D. - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

It is worth reading this link, as there is a lot of evidence-based information included.

Dr. Blaylock's wonder pills, marketed as the Brain Repair Formula, are sold here: Brain Repair Formula by Dr. Russell Blaylock

If I was cynical I could suggest that one should FOLLOW THE MONEY to Dr. Blaylock and his pills. But I am not cynical, so I will go on the assumption that he is giving them away to deserving people, and not selling them for a profit. The part where he asks his followers to send him $100 for a 30 day supply of vitamin pills must be wrong.

Beware false prophets. I read that once. I can't remember what verse it was, sorry.

Dr. of Philosophy? Guess he knows more than a neurosurgeon?

Here's what's on wiki...but, of course you already know:

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Until his retirement in 2007, Carroll was a professor of philosophy at Sacramento City College.
A longtime advocate of scientific skepticism and critical thinking, in 1994 Carroll set up the Skeptic's Dictionary website online. It initially consisted of fewer than fifty articles, mostly on logical fallacies and pseudoscience. The site has now grown to several hundred articles, including many on the paranormal and the supernatural. It attracts more than a million visitors per month.[2] Entries from the dictionary have been translated into more than a dozen languages.
Carroll's views have attracted numerous interviews for him from mainstream media and local newspapers, such as the Davis Enterprise.[3] In addition, he has been interviewed by representatives of groups promoting scientific skepticism, such as the New England Skeptical Society[4] and Media Man Australia.[5]
In January 2010 Carroll was elected as a Fellow of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry[6]
He is viewed by some commentators in the alternative science community as a pseudoskeptic [7][8] for his alleged dogmatism and scoffing attitude. Richard Milton has accused him of misrepresentations and fabrications of opponents' arguments.[9]"

Robert T. Carroll seems to like the CDC and WHO. I would call those two entities as being big pharma friendly. Think he might be influenced to write stories with ad hominem's against anyone critical of big pharma?
I guess that Dr. Blaylock and others should be researching, producing and giving away their remedies for free?! Otherwise, they must be in it for the money! Of course I find this logic absurd.

Here's a nice treat about the CDC and vaccines: Swine Flu 1976 & Propaganda - Vidéo Dailymotion


I'm all for critical thinking. However, can individuals be persuaded to write about topics that they themselves are not experts? Who holds this guy accountable? Maybe we need a "skeptical of the skeptics dictionary!"
I'd like to find out how he's funded. That might be interesting to see what his money flow looks like. Maybe he's squeaky clean and is writing from his heart. I don't know.

Why is it OK for Merck, Bristol Myers, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, etc. to sell us their drugs? And yet, there's skepticism regarding the sale of nutrients or pills from a neurosurgeon and others?
$100 for a 30 day supply is not that expensive for your brains health, no? Oh, right...insurance companies don't provide coverage for holistic medicine...so, I guess it does sound expensive.

So, tell me this...how should Dr. Russell Blaylock recover costs associated with R&D and manufacturing of his pills?

JCL, may I ask...do you currently work in some type of career or have you worked in the past for money? If you have or currently do work for money...does that negate the quality of work you provide? I'm really curious to know what you do or have done in this world to make a claim that someone that's in medicine should be giving away their work/product for free...actually it wouldn't be free as it costs money for R&D and manufacturing of product. So, by your logic he should foot the bill to provide you with pills that he says will help heal your brain or else he's a fraud?


By the way, Dr. Blaylock does give free advice to reduce the toxic effects of vaccinations:Russell Blaylock, MD - What To Do If Force Vaccinated

It's too easy for me to see the angle of the industry trying to protect itself. I wish I could believe that the mega companies actually had our best interest in their business plans. I'm sorry to say that I've lost any type of trust for them. I'd much rather take my chances with someone that is more holistic. That's my choice.

I've said more than once, for anyone that believes big pharma has your back...good for you. I hope they treat you well and not cause other issues as has been noted in my many references that you and others dispute.
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Really? Did you read the reference? The guy is a professor in philosophy. Whoop dee do.

Well, if you're that easily swayed...I guess it is over.

I'm trying really hard to not put a page of ROTFLAMAO's all over the screen. But, I won't. And, frankly I'm getting bored.

No one has addressed this:

When was it good to put: GMO's, Fluoride, Aluminum, Mercury, Thimerosal, Formaldehyde, Lead in our food, water, air and vaccines?

Please step right up and show me the proof!

'Cause that's what this thread is about! Well, that and my assertion that it's been done with malicious intent.
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Dr. of Philosophy? Guess he knows more than a neurosurgeon?

....I'm all for critical thinking.

....Why is it OK for Merck, Bristol Myers, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson, etc. to sell us their drugs? And yet, there's skepticism regarding the sale of nutrients or pills from a neurosurgeon and others?

...JCL, may I ask...do you currently work in some type of career or have you worked in the past for money?
Philosophy studies issues such as knowledge, reason, etc, using a systematic approach. That is exactly who should be running a skeptical thinking site.

We appear to have different definitions of critical thinking.

It is fine for drug companies to sell drugs. Millions of lives have been saved by some of those drugs, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that your hero, a proponent of your theory that profits cause the sale of unnecessary drugs, has just been outed as a vendor of unnecessary drugs. Of course he can sell them. But he can't say that we all need them just because some other evil people are (gasp) making money selling their drugs. And you can't use him as a source for why selling (other) drugs is bad.

A further issue is that his medicine is not based on science, but rather fear.

Not that it is relevant, but yes, I work. General management, engineering, product development related to automotive technologies. Critical thinking plays a big role. And I studied philosophy for a short while a long time ago, a course called the history of scientific reasoning. So don't diss the philosophers
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No one has addressed this:

When was it good to put: GMO's, Fluoride, Aluminum, Mercury, Thimerosal, Formaldehyde, Lead in our food, water, air and vaccines?

Please step right up and show me the proof!

'Cause that's what this thread is about! Well, that and my assertion that it's been done with malicious intent.
Too easy. You will like this source. A doctor of infectious diseases. Working for no profit on this web site, simply combatting quackery. I like his point that if he was in it for the money, he would make more money during outbreaks. Healthy people aren't the business opportunity for doctors that sick ones are. So leave big business out of it.

By way of introduction, Amanda Peet said in public that people who didn't vaccinate their kids were parasites. The post is well worth reading.

Oh, and the chemicals you mention? Some of them are preservatives. None of them are harmful in the dosages in question. But more important is the downside of not vaccinating children. Read on. All the proof you want. With references and citations.

Science-Based Medicine » Amanda Peet is My Hero(1)

Check that website for articles on the non-linkage to autism.

If you are all for critical thinking, you will likely be ashamed of your previous posts on not vaccinating children.
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Philosophy studies issues such as knowledge, reason, etc, using a systematic approach. That is exactly who should be running a skeptical thinking site.

We appear to have different definitions of critical thinking.

It is fine for drug companies to sell drugs. Millions of lives have been saved by some of those drugs, but that isn't the issue. The issue is that your hero, a proponent of your theory that profits cause the sale of unnecessary drugs, has just been outed as a vendor of unnecessary drugs. Of course he can sell them. But he can't say that we all need them just because some other evil people are (gasp) making money selling their drugs. And you can't use him as a source for why selling (other) drugs is bad.

A further issue is that his medicine is not based on science, but rather fear.

Not that it is relevant, but yes, I work. General management, engineering, product development related to automotive technologies. Critical thinking plays a big role. And I studied philosophy for a short while a long time ago, a course called the history of scientific reasoning. So don't diss the philosophers

I think we should have a few beers and discuss critical thinking!

Yeah, in my way of thinking, we've been duped by the "system". I've mentioned before that I'm in finance and have witnessed the abuses within that industry. I've had first hand conversations with big pharma types and have heard the abuses with drugs like Adderall. MD's paid by big pharma to pimp their brand of pills.
It goes on and on and on.
So, when I see someone criticize and it doesn't include the abuses within big pharma...I just can't take them seriously.
However, I've not had a chance to see if Robert Carroll has any skepticisms on big pharma and how they pay MD's to speak at conventions to push their pills.

As for fear...what isn't based in fear today? Govt's based in fear, markets based more in fear today than greed...greed at the top of the pyramid but selling fear to everyone else. I would suggest that fear also plays a big part in how meds are dispensed...just watch tv for a few minutes and you'll see the ads.
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Too easy. You will like this source. A doctor of infectious diseases. Working for no profit on this web site, simply combatting quackery. I like his point that if he was in it for the money, he would make more money during outbreaks. Healthy people aren't the business opportunity for doctors that sick ones are. So leave big business out of it.

By way of introduction, Amanda Peet said in public that people who didn't vaccinate their kids were parasites. The post is well worth reading.

Oh, and the chemicals you mention? Some of them are preservatives. None of them are harmful in the dosages in question. But more important is the downside of not vaccinating children. Read on. All the proof you want. With references and citations.

Science-Based Medicine » Amanda Peet is My Hero(1)

Check that website for articles on the non-linkage to autism.

If you are all for critical thinking, you will likely be ashamed of your previous posts on not vaccinating children.

OK, I will look into Amanda Peet and the link you provided.

But, you have to look at: Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admitted presence of SV40, AIDS and cancer viruses in vaccines

In case you didn't like the natural news link above, although it looks credible to me...maybe this one below is better suited?

Leading Vaccine Doctor States Cancer Linked to Polio Vaccine

After seeing that link, wouldn't critical thinking lead you to really question big pharma? I sure do.


Back to Dr. Blaylock, why is it that no one will take Dr. Blaylock up on studying the Amish children that haven't been vaccinated and compare children that have been vaccinated?
Seems a slam dunk for pro-vaccination, right? So, why aren't there any takers?
Did you watch that short 15 minute video I posted earlier? I found it odd and it does leave questions...in my mind anyway and I suppose in others as well.
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Actually, critical thinking leads me to dismiss both Natural News and Mercola.com as frauds. The science based website I gave you calls the two of them "wretched hives of scum and quackery" but that just seems mean. Let them go about their misguided mission without subjecting us to them.

You continue with the non sequitur that because some drug companies oversell their medications, that all medicine is bad.

Vaccination hoaxes, including the Amish one, were covered in the link I gave you. You haven't read it yet, or you wouldn't have posted that.
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You continue with the non sequitur that because some drug companies oversell their medications, that all medicine is bad.

Vaccination hoaxes, including the Amish one, were covered in the link I gave you. You haven't read it yet, or you wouldn't have posted that.

Ha, I work for a living, have a wife and kids. I'm trying my best to digest everything you're throwing at me. I'll go back and read again as I didn't see it.

Of course they're "scum and quackery"...their way is being called into question.

I'm not trying to throw the baby out with the bath water. I guess it does sound that way. I'm sure there are some really good drugs...I don't know, the only drugs I take are fluticasone and allegra d...frick'n allergies. I would like to try something holistic though to see if I could prevent sinusitis. Not sure if we're just dealing with so many toxins that it's triggering allergies or not. I know more and more people that didn't have allergies are now dealing with them.

I started looking at Dr. Mark Crislip...I see he's an Internal Medicine Doctor. I'll look into him a bit more. I'm too tired...east coast time zone!

I used to use an Internal Medicine Doctor...too many pills pushed on me. I stopped going.

I see Dr. Crislip is rated 2.5 stars out of four: Dr. Mark Crislip, MD - Internist - Portland, OR - Internal Medicine
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I see Dr. Crislip is rated 2.5 stars out of four: Dr. Mark Crislip, MD - Internist - Portland, OR - Internal Medicine
We are discussing his qualifications in infectious diseases, specifically with respect to whether vaccines are safe and/or beneficial, and you quote a web rating based on 8 anonymous web posters, which is based on things like ease of making an appointment, and courteous staff? Seriously? How does that even relate? Critical thinking?
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