What’s The Matter With Joseph Biden?

[EODguy]

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[bcredliner]

The key paragraph of the report you posted is the discussion paragraph which follows:

"The SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant is highly transmissible (1), and understanding determinants of transmission, including human behavior and vaccine effectiveness, is critical to developing prevention strategies. Multipronged prevention strategies are needed to reduce COVID-19–related morbidity and mortality (4).

The findings in this report are subject to at least four limitations. First, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant, during this outbreak. As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias. Third, demographics of cases likely reflect those of attendees at the public gatherings, as events were marketed to adult male participants; further study is underway to identify other population characteristics among cases, such as additional demographic characteristics and underlying health conditions including immunocompromising conditions.*** MA DPH, CDC, and affected jurisdictions are collaborating in this response; MA DPH is conducting additional case investigations, obtaining samples for genomic sequencing, and linking case information with laboratory data and vaccination history. Finally, Ct values obtained with SARS-CoV-2 qualitative RT-PCR diagnostic tests might provide a crude correlation to the amount of virus present in a sample and can also be affected by factors other than viral load.††† Although the assay used in this investigation was not validated to provide quantitative results, there was no significant difference between the Ct values of samples collected from breakthrough cases and the other cases. This might mean that the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 is also similar. However, microbiological studies are required to confirm these findings.

Event organizers and local health jurisdictions should continually assess the need for additional measures, including limiting capacity at gatherings or event postponement, based on current rates of COVID-19 transmission, population vaccination coverage, and other factors.§§§ On July 27, CDC released recommendations that all persons, including those who are fully vaccinated, should wear masks in indoor public settings in areas where COVID-19 transmission is high or substantial. Findings from this investigation suggest that even jurisdictions without substantial or high COVID-19 transmission might consider expanding prevention strategies, including masking in indoor public settings regardless of vaccination status, given the potential risk of infection during attendance at large public gatherings that include travelers from many areas with differing levels of transmission".

IMO the summary of the paragraph is that the information in the report is anecdotal and further studies are underway to verify the accuracy of the findings. In short, the reported finding are interesting but have yet to be scientifically substantiated.

[EODguy]

"As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias."

This means that breakthrough is more common and that just like before asymptomatic people are getting tests because they don't know

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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

"As population-level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger proportion of COVID-19 cases. Second, asymptomatic breakthrough infections might be underrepresented because of detection bias."

This means that breakthrough is more common and that just like before asymptomatic people are getting tests because they don't know

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Key word is likely.

Likely means the it could happen but not that it definitely will. That's because everything in this report is too small a sampling to extrapolate any broad based conclusions. It clearly states that in the discussion paragraph. Scientific studies are needed to confirm the data holds up on a broad basis. It's just a report of calculations based on insufficient data that might be worthwhile to check out with an appropriate sized sampling.

Suggest you find something else that endorses your position if it is out there. This report doesn't.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Key word is likely.



Likely means the it could happen but not that it definitely will. That's because everything in this report is too small a sampling to extrapolate any broad based conclusions. It clearly states that in the Discussion paragraph. Scientific studies are needed to confirm the data holds up on a broad basis. It's just a report of calculations based on insufficient data that might be worthwhile to check out with an appropriate sized sampling.



Suggest you find something else that endorses your position if it is out there. This report doesn't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...367-4/fulltext

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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...367-4/fulltext

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Thank you for posting how the study was done. Good study! However, the study does not align with your conclusions.

The conclusion was that the effectiveness of the vaccine on COVID 19 and the Delta variant was very high rather than very low in all categories of age and severity of infection.The study matches current findings in the US. It supports that current vaccine options would control the virus and get as back to a new 'normal' if more people would get vaccinated.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Thank you for posting how the study was done. Good study! However, the study does not align with your conclusions.



The conclusion was that the effectiveness of the vaccine on COVID 19 and the Delta variant was very high rather than very low in all categories of age and severity of infection.The study matches current findings in the US. It supports that current vaccine options would control the virus and get as back to a new 'normal' if more people would get vaccinated.

"The vaccines were at 1st said to be 90 odd percent effective at keeping you from catching covid19, then it was keeping you from getting symptoms, passing it on and now it's only effective for maybe 6 months."

The above is pretty important.
So the vaccine will get us back to normal? Once 100% get the shot and the boosters every six months till the overlap is at 100%?

Since the effectiveness has shown to be less and the percentage of breakthrough cases in the non-familial study I posted hit such a huge percentage..... let's just say it doesn't look effective compared to the claims.

Why is it that antibodies from previous infection is totally discounted, when it has shown to have a stronger and broader response?

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[ard]

I ran across a new tactic recently…. People are posting links to the 8 hour long FDA Vaccine review panel and claiming that “FDA themselves are saying the cvacccines kill people”

They even post times in the 8 hours when this is said

Welp, it turns out that at a public FDA panel, they are required to let anyone speak- including these vaxholes. So you have anti-fax nuts speaking at the FDA panel (quoting VAERS death nonsense)- and anti-fax disinfo then is using this to say “FDA says”.

They know full well that most antivaxers dont DO THE RESEARCH. They just stop at the top line.

[motordavid]

I'm guessing EODguy passed on the shots...

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by motordavid

I'm guessing EODguy passed on the shots...

If I am posting what EODguy is posting and i still take the vaccine. What does that say about me?