Military/War discussion - Page 3

Wagner · #1 09-20-2006, 12:20 PM

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The main problem with the American military that bathers me is that they change the rules as they see fit. When there is an apposing force then they are terrorists but when the force is willing to serve the American will then they are a liberation army. I have no issues with the men/women that serve. Some are driven by their beliefs some are brain washed one can say that about any army. At the end of the day they are just ponds on a board. The problem is with the men/women that create the missions for the military to fulfill. There is a complete lack of respect by the US for the perspectives of the combined international community. Why do the American leaders think that they are better or smarter then the rest of the world?

Well you have lumped hundreds of millions of people into one group...dangerous considering so much of that group disagree with the "elected" leadership. (aka 32% approval rating) Instead of saying US and Americans, perhaps Administration or President is more accurate why trying to depict the USA as believing it is "smarter" then the rest of the world. The whole topic is also a very double-edged sword. The majority of the countries that bash US policy would have ZERO problems and be advocates of the US is their policy favored them. IMO.

rayxi · #2 09-20-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Well you have lumped hundreds of millions of people into one group...dangerous considering so much of that group disagree with the "elected" leadership. (aka 32% approval rating) Instead of saying US and Americans, perhaps Administration or President is more accurate why trying to depict the USA as believing it is "smarter" then the rest of the world. The whole topic is also a very double-edged sword. The majority of the countries that bash US policy would have ZERO problems and be advocates of the US is their policy favored them. IMO.

Bang on.

Eric5273 · #3 09-20-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Well you have lumped hundreds of millions of people into one group...dangerous considering so much of that group disagree with the "elected" leadership. (aka 32% approval rating) Instead of saying US and Americans, perhaps Administration or President is more accurate why trying to depict the USA as believing it is "smarter" then the rest of the world. The whole topic is also a very double-edged sword. The majority of the countries that bash US policy would have ZERO problems and be advocates of the US is their policy favored them. IMO.

xxx · #4 09-20-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Well you have lumped hundreds of millions of people into one group...dangerous considering so much of that group disagree with the "elected" leadership. (aka 32% approval rating) Instead of saying US and Americans, perhaps Administration or President is more accurate why trying to depict the USA as believing it is "smarter" then the rest of the world. The whole topic is also a very double-edged sword. The majority of the countries that bash US policy would have ZERO problems and be advocates of the US is their policy favored them. IMO.

I might be wrong but I was under the impression that both the president and the administration were elected by the people of the united states of America. Therefore the people of the USA should take responsibility for their elected president and their elected administration.

As far as your point regarding the countries that bash the US, and I'm not saying I agree with them, they all seem to have a valid point.

What gives the US the right to tell others what to do? For a nation that values it freedom their actions seem ironic. In my opinion that should be something that the whole world decides not just the UK and US.

Eric5273 · #5 09-20-2006, 11:31 PM

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I might be wrong but I was under the impression that both the president and the administration were elected by the people of the united states of America.

Well, your impression could very well be wrong. Read this article. It's long but a very interesting read.

(And BTW, just reading the first few paragraphs will not be enough to convince you. But if you read the whole thing, you will be convinced)

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...lection_stolen

xxx · #6 09-21-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Well, your impression could very well be wrong. Read this article. It's long but a very interesting read.

(And BTW, just reading the first few paragraphs will not be enough to convince you. But if you read the whole thing, you will be convinced)

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...lection_stolen

That just proves my point. My question is why aren't heads flying over this injustice? Whets the point of having an election when its manipulated? All nations have their problems but this is ridicules. "Land of the free and home of the brave" Is that just a sales pitch? It seems more like "Land of the manipulated and home of the brain washed" America is supposed to be the best nation in the world. One that others should look up to. Then again that might just be an American perspective.

tijanaw · #7 09-22-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Well you have lumped hundreds of millions of people into one group... Instead of saying US and Americans, perhaps Administration or President is more accurate why trying to depict the USA as believing it is "smarter" then the rest of the world.

That is excatly what I'm trying to say when you guys say Muslims are terrorist instead of saying EXTREMIST Muslims. Now you know how it feels.

Deuce · #8 09-22-2006, 09:42 PM

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That is excatly what I'm trying to say when you guys say Muslims are terrorist instead of saying EXTREMIST Muslims. Now you know how it feels.

The difference is you will find many many American's speaking up. Sharing the same views as those who say stuff about America. I have yet to see that with the Muslims.

tijanaw · #9 09-22-2006, 09:56 PM

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The difference is you will find many many American's speaking up. Sharing the same views as those who say stuff about America. I have yet to see that with the Muslims.

Well, step out the US borders and you'll see plenty!

And guess what, you can start with me and every other Muslim brother in this forum.

Juanted · #10 09-20-2006, 01:57 PM

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Why do the American leaders think that they are better or smarter then the rest of the world?

Because they are. And no, I am not joking. It's really that simple. You may not like it, but it's fact. No other military in the world goes to the extent to which we go to educate, train, and prepare our personnel. None! I served in the military for 8 years; I should know. In those eight years, I participated in numerous war games (and one war -- the Gulf War) with the Germans, the Italians, the Dutch, you name it. With the possible exception of the British, no other military in the world is as well trained, educated or better prepared than ours.

Juan