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Old 01-26-2007, 03:18 PM
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I love how you pick one or two minor sidebars out of an argument, and ignore the general thrust of it. Anyway...

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When you say "attempting", then you are implying that it doesn't work. Obviously it does work, or they wouldn't do it.
Actually, I wasn't implying anything. Please note that that came out of a question. Nice spin, there.

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So if you are Lockheed, why would you give tons of money to both Kerry and Bush campaigns? What possible decisions would the President make that would help your company out? The president does not award contracts to military contractors. In fact, he has no involvement whatsoever in that. So then why would they do this?
So you're saying the President has no influence in the Legislative process? Ever heard of a little thing called a "veto?" And that's just the Constitutional power he has - never mind the influence he wields behind the scenes.

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The answer is that the president can take the country to war, which will result in increased profits for Lockheed, who is the #1 military contractor. The President can also push for a higher Defense budget, which will also result in increased profits for them.

And Lockheed obviously feels that giving all this campaign money will result in higher profits, which implies that they think they have an effect on his decisions, which they indeed do.

So to sum up, you have large corporations giving money to the President (and congress) which results in them spending more on Defense than they would otherwise, and more likely to go to war than they would otherwise.
See, this is why people accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist. So, because of campaign donations from large corporations, we went to war? That's a moonbat claim if I ever heard one. Did you get that here?

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And no, in our current messed up system, this is not illegal or "breaking the law".

So are you happy knowing that profit levels of the large military contractors is a major factor in the military decisions our leaders make?
No, I just don't agree with your contention that that is the case.

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From your comment "Remember the old maxim: "It's not what you know, but who." You may not like it, but that's the way the world works.", it appears you are content with knowing this. I am not.

Spin again. That was a rueful observation, not a contented concession. If you're not even going to try, just stop. This is pretty boring.

Care to comment on Chavez' statement that Castro is "almost running?"

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Old 01-26-2007, 03:40 PM
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:21 PM
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HOT DAMN!!!!!

Wagner I think it's time for......
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So you're saying the President has no influence in the Legislative process?
No, I'm saying the president has no involvement in awarding contracts, which BTW has nothing to do with the legislative process.



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Ever heard of a little thing called a "veto?" And that's just the Constitutional power he has - never mind the influence he wields behind the scenes.
The president cannot veto a government spending contract.



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See, this is why people accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist. So, because of campaign donations from large corporations, we went to war?
Oversimplification. I didn't say that was the only reason. I said it was a reason.



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No, I just don't agree with your contention that that is the case.
Well, you can't have it both ways. Either they are wasting their money, or they are getting results. Which one is it?

(one would think if they were not getting results, they would not continue to donate so much money to political campaigns, and spend so much money on lobbying)



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Care to comment on Chavez' statement that Castro is "almost running?"
I would comment if I had any idea what you were talking about. Care to enlighten me?
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:34 PM
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HOT DAMN!!!!!

Wagner I think it's time for......

The thread was jacked 100 posts ago
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Old 01-26-2007, 05:39 PM
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What's the record for most posts in a single thread? I forget what this thread was about, cheesecake or size-zero models?
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The thread was jacked 100 posts ago
LOLOLOLOL..... Failed to realize that.

Why does everyone take themselves so damn seriously on here? You guys are obviously not gonna change each others mind.

Let your actions dictate your beliefs dont dictate to others what their beliefs should be.

But all in all I do enjoy these debates sometimes. Very informative.
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What's the record for most posts in a single thread? I forget what this thread was about, cheesecake or size-zero models?
Nah... something about a load.....
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