So is this your logic for all things powered? And to the point that everyone is trying to make.....power is subjective when it comes to most things. Will a 400hp car get you to a destination any quicker than a 200hp car in the same traffic jam. No....but it will be much more fun dippin' in and out of the traffic trying to get there. Horsepower is all about the Fun Factor my friend......Phil

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And the power comes in handy on the highway for passing. You try zipping past a slow mover on the highway with a 4 cyl car or hybrid, you'll likely end up losing speed! Hovever if you have loads of HP you'll pass them like their not moving and that will be one of the most fun things you've done that day.

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Some funny chit , i like your style man....On a side note i own a challenger and it is by far the cheapest(pricewise) that i own, YET it draws more compliments/interest from all age groups....now back to gm/chrysler bashing

Challenger...that is what I meant in my previous post, not Charger (although I don't like the looks of the Charger either).

I am sorry, I don't mean to insult you, but he Camaro and the Challenger are absolutely hideous and there wasn't anyone even looking at them when I was at the car show last week.

To each his own I guess. Someone actually complemented on me on PT Cruiser that I got stuck with as a loaner one time.

Now the Mustang come on please, the V6 is like from a farm tractor, the suspension design McPherson struts and live axle is um older than the hills, and the modular motor aka the compromised design is inferior to the OHV V8 in every design criterion. Admittedly the 3 valve 4.6 is much better than the 2V OHC which started like a 215 HP and was “upgraded” to 260 HP with woops and praise, a mere 10 more HP than my V6 3.5. LOL The mod motor is bigger external, more complicated, more top heavy, far far harder to work on, poorer MPG, poorer torque, and less HP then the OHV from Chevy or Dodge. Really a turkey engine all the way around. Ford needs the eco-boost V6 at 375 to 400 HP or a new OHV 302 / 351 with aluminum block.

We're talking about American pony cars...most of them feature what many people would consider "old technology".

The V6 Challenger only comes with a 4-speed slushbox, so that is not really ground breaking technology. I hear the 0-60 is in the mid to high 7's, which is also probably slower than the under powered Mustang. Plus, I can't get past the look of the Challenger, personally. The Mustang blows it out of the water, IMO.

I am just telling you what I saw at the car show. The Dodge/Chrysler floor had tumbleweeds blowing past the cars and the Ford section was very busy. Dodge/Chrysler has nothing on par with the new Taurus or Fusion for that matter. As far as the two companies go, I guess you can tell from the bailout which is doing better than the other.

Also, according to fueleconomy.gov, the V6 Challenger only gets 1 combined MPG better than the V6 Mustang.

The 3.5, with the low tech 4 speed auto is pulling in 26 MPG vs my last manual 6 speed turbo, intercooled full Euro sedan at 28.25 on a 300 lbs lighter chassis and 285 HP with mods and that needed 93 octane. Needless to say people so far have been impressed with the ride quality and the power / torque of the 3.5 and the MPG...

A retro car is suppose to be just that, retro. Throwing a V8 in a Grand Am and calling it a "GTO" or creating an entirely new chassis with independent suspension and the rest and calling it a "Camaro" is crap. There are no, zip, zippy characteristics of the new Camaro, GTO, Charger that share any similarities to their legacy's. There is not much that relates the Charger, GTO or Camaro back to its roots, not much at all..aside from maybe having 8 cylinders. BTW, who cares about mpg when buying a "muscle car", it is like caring about mpg when buying a "M".

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Charger was a sound business decision. It's on the 300 chasis, they sold a lot of them and the economics of building them were better than if it had been the Challenger, which is why they did that second, IMO. I am a fan of 68-71 Chargers though, and of course I would have liked to have seen it come out as a 2 door. But the market was not so good for a two door legacy car, (not that now is much better, but I hear the Challenger is doing ok) so they found a market they wanted and put a name on it.

Challenger is true to it's roots. It is fat, like most mopars then and now.

But the v6 car is comparable to the other two. However, and this also applies across most of the modern history of all three of these cars, mustang always prices in lower entry and markets to a different audience than the other two. That's why Fbody died. They were aimed at a higher target and mustang just outsold them in volume on lower end units. And let's be honest, someone buying a v6 version of any of these is not the reason these are being built. It helps on the CAFE standards though.

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