F#CK the *cure*...Find the CAUSE - Page 10

tynashracing · #91 11-10-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

I provided you with a link (the I Love Amanda Peet one) that gave you those stats. So you do have them. With independent references, annotations, cross-checked, and so on. You can follow them all and make your own mind up. But you do have the stats.

Answered in post #85.

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JCL · #92 11-10-2012, 04:24 PM

No, you answered with an ad hominem. Because the information was published on a site with the name science in the title, you considered it unworthy of your time. You didn't read the information, and follow the logic, you dismissed it because it didn't fit with your preconcieved notions.

Follow the logic.

JCL · #93 11-10-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

If you were a virus and latched onto a host...would you suck the life out of the host quickly, or would you slowly feed...to preserve YOUR way of life?

The smart ones will do it slowly. This accomplishes two things:

Longevity for the entity that has invaded.

Well, I am not a virus, so this is theoretical. But if I was I would kill the host quickly, extracting all that I could. And I would make sure that I had a web page that took credit cards, to attract new hosts, so I had a ready supply of victims. And I would make sure that the potential hosts saw me as a saviour, while casting established science as an amorphous being that is controlled by a ruling elite. That ruling elite would be defined as a secret society that is out to get us all, destroying us just for kicks, because they are bored with their wealth. Aided and abetted by government. And capitalists. Got to have some evil capitalists. And some Nazis. They are bad too. Especially when they use fluoride. Yep, that would pretty much make it easy for me to be a virus, living off of a steady stream of hosts. That would preserve my way of life.

motordavid · #94 11-10-2012, 09:34 PM

From the back row of the peanut gallery, and glad you all got your vaccinations...

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

...Yes, we're living longer. Although, if I'm not mistaken there's some evidence that this might be reversing?! I'll have to look and talk with some actuarials.

My guess is all the points you & JCL mentioned: sanitation, vaccination, some good drugs made by the evil BigPharma, remarkable research by non-Phamas, food source, etc.

Again, it's not the type of kill associated with say nuclear bombs. It's a slow kill process.
None of us gets out alive; not to be a smart azz but if the/some 'system(s)' were on a eugenics/destructive path, we probably would not be living longer, on avg. And, by the time any of 'us' turn over the rock and find the 'culprits', it will be too late for us, and probably my mid 40s kids and a grandkid. It may be too late to slow the evolutionary change, no matter its recent direction change origin. But, I suspect homo sapiens will be around for a long time, barring apocalyptic war.

If you were a virus and latched onto a host...would you suck the life out of the host quickly, or would you slowly feed...to preserve YOUR way of life?
No xpert, but Biology was one of my 3 majors, but way back in the '60s. You need to read Wiki or simple search on 'viruses': they are simply/complexly some DNA/RNA with a protein coat. They aren't 'thinking' or 'planning about their host's cells they are about to enter and take control of. They are not parasites and are not symbiotic, but they work as hard as they can to take over/destroy every cell then can inject into, and don't care if millions of cells or the host croaks...there are billions of them out there in the world, slightly evolving, waiting for the next opportunity. Viruses are not sentient and have no plan. Most virologists suspect they have been around since before, or shortly after 'bacteria' and have played a remarkable role in cell evolution, inc human evolution. Same for bacteria, by the bye. I realize you were probably using a buzz word from finance, but it is a stretch, imo.

The smart ones will do it slowly. This accomplishes two things:

Longevity for the entity that has invaded.

No one is immediately alerted that there is a dire consequence that should be eradicated.

HolyfookinMoly! Back to conspriracies under most rocks!

I am simplistically, not a 'government fan', not an authority fan, and realize that the Big Pharms are cross selling all day long via ads: "Ask your doctor about ReliefPills", etc. I don't take anything other than a generic vitamin and an aspirin. I have a couple bad habits, but eat well and exercise my 65 yr old azz off every day. Do I wonder what is lying in wait? No...Do I worry about those undiscovered systems and programs? No. Is commerce and food growing and 'medicine' all caught up in their own slight greed? Yes, imo. But, I ain't gonna change that. And, 'studying' the fear mongers and slightly bent web sites and professed experts with a different & usually unsubstantiated view, will afford me very little or nothing, in terms of another couple decades, at best, on the planet.

I am not suggesting that questioning things is not good; it is. And, I really feel if one isn't pissed off at 'something', one isn't paying attention. But, time mellows us, and rants tend to be just that: rants. I hope you find all the proper paths, but don't drive yourself crazy seeking them...we have been rattling around the planet and surviving, for a qtr of a million years.

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rebound · #95 11-11-2012, 11:29 PM

Now you know why I made the Eric comment, way back when...

statdoc · #96 11-13-2012, 01:29 AM

I have just been enjoying the foolishness.

And since I am not an immunologist, I refuse to be drawn in. I am just a simple guy who saves lives for a living. You know, those silly conspiracy-created heart attacks, gunshot wounds and car crashes.

tynashracing · #97 11-13-2012, 12:59 PM

» Leading World Bank Demographer: Vaccination Campaigns Part Of Population Reduction Policy Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Please be sure to see all the links.

JCL · #98 11-13-2012, 05:51 PM

On with the foolishness!

Bill Gates has spoken quite a bit about population reduction, and the relationship to vaccines. He has described communities where parents have 8 children, not because they want 8 children, but because they know that in all probability a high percentage of them will die in childhood. So, using vaccines to reduce infant mortality, over time, causes parents to have fewer children, because those parents have a realistic expectation that more of their children will live. Lots of links if you want to read about it.

What Gates said was along the lines of "we have 6.x billion people, and we are heading for 9 billiion. Vaccination programs can reduce that."

Note that he didn't say reduce 6 billion, he said reduce the growth, ie the rate of increase. The growth fueled by parents having 8 children, and expecting a percentage of their children to die young. We know vaccines work. We know that our increased life expectancy has to do with greatly reduced infant mortality, among other things. So why shouldn't the third world get access to vaccines? It becomes a moral imperative.

Yes, in the above example, vaccines can be said to reduce (future) populations (and the growth in populations, more importantly). But what did the Nutcase News say? They said that the WHO (and others) admitted that vaccines reduced populations. They said that Gates said it too. Of course they did! But the headlines didn't accurately portray the story. And then some conspiracist got on the case, and said that the WHO actually had vaccines that killed a portion of the kids who got them, and they were doing it on purpose. That is why they are called the Nutcase News.

And now those same news stories and web sites (Alex Jones? Seriously?) are being quoted by posters here as 'proof' that vaccines are bad.

Time to connect some dots. Not the ones that describe a conspiracy. The ones that show that the media is very easily able to manipulate readers when they want to. That would be a better subject to debate than whether we should use vaccines, which is simply a stand in for any one of the many issues that are being warped and distorted by junk science, scam artists, and a media that thinks it can fool its readers. Unfortunately, they are being proven to be correct.

And so the foolishness continues.

rayxi · #99 11-13-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

» Leading World Bank Demographer: Vaccination Campaigns Part Of Population Reduction Policy Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Please be sure to see all the links.

I followed the link to the article and also to one of the studies that the article references.

From the Bond study (bold formatting for emphasis is mine):

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We find that, by providing a constant source of susceptible individuals for disease transmission, high birth rates constitute a greater barrier to improving public health and economic development than any existing model has suggested. With the combined effect on per capita income, lowering the birth rate in developing countries to levels comparable to those in the western world, could potentially be sufficient to eradicate some infectious diseases.

Here's the how the Infowar article twists that statement for its own purpose and dupes the unsuspecting (lazy) reader:

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The study concludes that the best way to eradicate poverty and disease is to, well… eradicate humans.

Just because a link to a study is supplied doesn't mean the author's statement is supported by the linked study. Unless you believe that controlling birth rates equates to killing people you've been duped.

motordavid · #**100** 11-13-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

motordavid,

All great questions. Yes, vaccinated...all of us. No complications known from taking them.

I honestly do not know the answer to the other questions. I suspect that there are some that pose more risk than reward. But, I don't have any stats to provide other than the links I've provided thus far.

This thread has really honed in on this one subject...vaccination. My thread was a lot more encompassing. I have a much broader view.
It's not my place to suggest to anyone what they should or should not do with regards to vaccines and medicine in general.
However, I have said multiple times...clean vaccinations seem to be the best of both worlds.
Is everyone clear that that's how I feel?

It's a bit unfair, really! I got painted into a corner to prove whether I'm a nut job or not with this vaccination stuff. I said, if they're clean...I'm for them. I think the Dr.'s I've linked have said the same thing?!
I played along and have provided some opinions that I think support what I'm saying? Make vaccines clean for everyone. Don't put them on the market until they're proven safe and effective. Isn't that what we all want? ...

...It seems to come down to trust.

Tynashracing,
You brought up the vac card again. I agree with my GWN amigos: that link and its 'facts' and 'points' is akin to the months of political ads we just lived through. Lots of frags, things out of context, and general gibberish unless one is caught up in the 'let's hunker down, live off the termites in the crawl space, and out wait the gov't plan to eradicate all of us good people', ...

Besides the fringe 'news sites' and links, and the imo, suspect links here is a question: Do you really feel that there is a group or gov't agency(s), or subversive collection of under the radar people that want to target you or your family or your friend's physical well being?

By that, I don't mean some Big Pharma or local generic brew mill screwing up a drug; I mean a concerted effort by some group or company(s), or agency to make bad food, bad drugs, incorrect health care, inject our environment intentionally, in order to harm you, me, us? Carbon emissions and toxic materials released in the normal or abnormal course of biz, manufacturing, accidents, etc. don't count.

Remember, I don't really like much about 'government', at any level, but I realize I would have an arduous time trying to keep my lifestyle and even stay alive, with 'them', so save your typing on I need to be released...
GL, mD

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