Spy shots: Next M5 to feature twin-turbo V8, KERS - Page 2

SANguru · #11 06-26-2009, 12:31 AM

again.. sounds like you have never driven or owned an e60 m5. NO TORQUE. 0-60 is all about traction and not as much about HP and torque so the numbers you are quoting and making assumption thereof is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by FSETH

KERS will be interesting for sure in an M car. Nice to see them implementing it even as they drop it for their F1 cars.

I wouldn't say sub 4.5 seconds is "slow as hell off the line" for a decent sized sedan. I know the MB's and CTS-V are faster, but M has never really been about huge torque figures. More about higher revving, higher speed performance. That is why the M5 typically beats MB's when it comes to track comparisons. I would guess that torque will be bumped significantly with the new TT though.

I hear you about typical BMW brakes when it comes to track days. As good as the brakes are on the road, fade during track days has been a complaint for a while now. Even on M cars with stock equipment.

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m5james · #12 06-26-2009, 12:34 AM

For the RARE times i've tracked any of my cars, i'd rather have street performance all day long. If I wanted to rev the piss outta my car to get any power from it, i'd have bought an S2000.

FSETH · #13 06-26-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SANguru

again.. sounds like you have never driven or owned an e60 m5. NO TORQUE. 0-60 is all about traction and not as much about HP and torque so the numbers you are quoting and making assumption thereof is irrelevant.

No I have never owned an e60 M5. We all know that you have and that you think the car is crap.

We are not on the same page here. What is your definition of off the line? I was assuming you meant accelerating to speed at a typical 0-60. What are you defining it as? 0-100? 0-120? Rolling start?

FSETH · #14 06-26-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by m5james

For the RARE times i've tracked any of my cars, i'd rather have street performance all day long. If I wanted to rev the piss outta my car to get any power from it, i'd have bought an S2000.

Yeah or an MB. That may be the better choice. BMW's have never been drag racers first, complete cars second.

SANguru · #15 06-26-2009, 12:54 AM

from a stop.. drag race start, or from light to light.. my 335i with over 440+ ft/lb of torque with JB3, race gas, intercooler, pipes, race cat run 3.3 sec 0-60 and will walk away from an M5 in a drag race up to about 100mph. HP takes over at that point.

0-100 or 0-150 is a much better metric of a cars true performance.

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Originally Posted by FSETH

No I have never owned an e60 M5. We all know that you have and that you think the car is crap.

We are not on the same page here. What is your definition of off the line? I was assuming you meant accelerating to speed at a typical 0-60. What are you defining it as? 0-100? 0-120? Rolling start?

FSETH · #16 06-26-2009, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SANguru

from a stop.. drag race start, or from light to light.. my 335i with over 440+ ft/lb of torque with JB3, race gas, intercooler, pipes, race cat run 3.3 sec 0-60 and will walk away from an M5 in a drag race up to about 100mph. HP takes over at that point.

0-100 or 0-150 is a much better metric of a cars true performance.

I hear you, but bashing the current M5 for not having a ton of torque is silly seeing as it is based on the heritage of pretty much every M car before it, not only M5's, which typically means a quick accelerating car (not drag racer) with very balanced performance/handling characteristics and a high revving engine. Even going back to the original e30 M3, which came to life high in the revs. I had an e30 325e that was a fairly torquey car and for everyday driving there was a noticeable difference between that and the e30 M3.

I don't know what else to say. If you want a stop light drag racer, the CTS-V and MB's are probably better choices at the present time. We will see where BMW goes with the new TT M engines and the torque numbers that follow. Maybe that low torque, high revving heritage is a thing of the past. If so, there will be as many people upset with that as there are happy with it though.

AzNMpower32 · #17 06-26-2009, 10:44 AM

I wonder what that's going to do to the weight of the M5. Even the current E60 M5 isn't exactly what you'd call.......light. As much of a performance car as it is, I wouldn't buy one as a "sports car". I'll take a M5 Touring for the hilarity of it, but for an executive sedan, a 550i suffices. Or a 540i for that matter. If I wanted a sports car, an M3 is good enough for me.