Originally Posted by alberniken

Originally Posted by Happy

I gave 3 sources for Pelosi’s visit to SF.

When I questioned your Harvard education, it was only because you were not responding with acknowledgement to the fact that, Pelosi could possibly be the next president. I would assume a Harvard graduate would know this common law.



Why do you view Pelosi as powerless?

I wasn’t trying to be offensive. Harvard is one of the most prestigious worldly educational systems in existence. I was stunned when you downplayed Pelosi’s governmental powers!

Why do you downplay her position? Please, help me understand?

Originally Posted by bcredliner

I think your comment was a passive aggressive insult and a very transparent one. Doesn't matter to me what the intention, I don't know you and the tone of words is often misunderstood. But, I wouldn't have been surprised if I hadn't remembered the line of succession. It's not something I need to keep top of mind and it has yet to happen.

Originally Posted by Happy

Yeah I was a bit harsh. But we’re arguing our points. You’ve made them yourself before. When my family was battling COVID-19, you stated that I was making the thread all about me. You even went on to say, “spare me the poor lil ol’me story”. I was actually going through one of the most difficult times in my life. You and I have always played rough on xoutpost. One could say that I, or you have the fastest original equipment E53 (factory engine) on this forum. You and I have been jockeying for years. That doesn’t mean I do not have respect for you. I read all your posts thoroughly. You’re a very intelligent person. Sometimes our thoughts get the best of us. That doesn’t mean we throw in the towel because we disagree.

I see this as a debate not an argument. Yes, I have made comments that I regret, even ashamed of. However I would be shocked if it was me that made the comments you posted. I apologize profusely and sincerely hope you forgive me if I did that. What thread was that? And I don't recall ever jockeying about whose's X5 is faster but that's possible. But that is just a dick dance. If you think it is a worthwhile distinction add it to your signature. I'm fine with that. I won't contest it.

Ok, well “if” she were to become president. My point was, that these Woodward recordings that Democrats are getting all worked up about that they claim show a disregard for public safety as of February makes no sense to me. Because the one that is supposed to be the watchdog failed as well. She was clearly downplaying the virus.

Pelosi is not the watchdog of the President. She sees to it the House maintains professional decorum and follows the rules. She influences who is on what committee and monitors their progress. She is the spokesperson for the House. At that time there was no US pandemic to downplay. The number of visitors to Chinatown was down. People weren't going there because they thought they were virus carriers just because they were Chinese. It had nothing to do with US infections or guidelines. The guidelines weren't distributed until April. And consider what both have done between then and now. Trump is still downplaying the virus after near 200,000 have died. He is having televised rallies where the guidelines are not considered and he says things like---a lot of people think masks dpm
Pelosi has been consistent and frequently bringing the guidelines to our attention.

I get it, you just don’t like Trump. I personally do not have a like or dislike for the president. The one thing he has done that I credit him for is, the massive support to Veterans Affairs. Under the previous administration Veterans were dying in the waiting room, before they received treatment. The system was a shambles. Also, I believe Middle East peace is important.

I don't have to consider anything more than the way he treats people. It's appalling. I don't understand how anyone can condone such behavior from anyone let alone our President.

I 100% disagree with you. Biden has been in Washington nearly 50 years. It is clear by now what he is about. Pelosi and Harris on the other hand have history in the Bay Area that few people know about. I do not believe it would be a safer, kinder, more rational place.

Agree to disagree.

Plus a big one for me is, I am PRO LIFE. Somebody has to be a voice for the helpless late term (as soon as a heart beat develops) babies being murdered by their own mothers. It’s disgusting. A women does have the right to her own body. And that is to ensure that she safeguard her womb when pregnancy is not wanted. This notion of, I had a one night stand, now I’m pregnant and I don’t want it, is horrifying. Their not “it’s” their human beings. They just happen to be shacking up in the womb still. Whether in the womb or out, has no impact on their value. (Priceless).

I respect your point of view. I don't think trump could care less except for which route gets him the most votes and TV time. A malignant narcissist considers themselves the supreme being and has no empathy or concern for anyone other than themselves.



You are correct again. I am not looking for a WHO led investigation. I am looking for a two nation investigational team, with Australia being one of them. Two major wealthy nations working together with no bias to go in and thoroughly investigate the COVID-19 outbreak in China.

China thus far has declined.

Originally Posted by bcredliner

If all Americans wore masks for 30 days whenever we are around others, whether inside or out, the pandemic would be under control. In fact, it wouldn't take that long. You want to be as close to the old normal? That's how.

I still don't believe our political preference, Trumps influence, a mistaken understanding of what freedom is, ignorance and stupidity will never let that happen. I really thought we were better than that.

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Originally Posted by Happy

I am confident that a multinational investigational body can be summoned to investigate all leads pertaining to the COVID-19 outbreak. China would have to be a willing participant.

WHO and China have some controversy that revealed itself during the early onset of the outbreak.

Now here is where my little brain gets to working. As arrogant as Trump is, you would think that he would have scientists immediately go and figure out if this virus was an attack or not. The consensus is that it is a natural outbreak.

Now entertain me here, what if as arrogant as Trump is, China is fully responsible for every death worldwide, and no county in the world has any idea how to respond. This is my push for a multinational investigation.

I am not trying to push a conspiracy. I just feel that the amount of COVID-19 deaths worldwide should be investigated thoroughly on a grand scale, on the basis of how technologically advanced we are as a human race.

My wife did say though, that her research lead to 6 pandemics over the last 500 years, 1520, 1620, 1720, 1820, 1920, and 2020. Her research also found that along the Silk Road about 1320 a pandemic broke out as well. So according to her research pandemics seem to have 100 year cycles.

Now around 420bc the pandemic of Athens resulted in a complete shutdown as well, including churches. It seems there is a pattern here.