RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 4

EODguy · #1 03-20-2020, 03:59 PM

I honestly have not seen anyone "stirring up" racists even now and it does seem to be people's personal perceptions as opposed to truly being an issue. Too many things today are about "feelings" and not facts. As we all know.... A turd cannot be polished even with glitter sprinkled on it, it is still a turd.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I would be truly interested in seeing any examples of racists being stirred up against Asians as opposed to some example of someone being a racist dick to an Asian over this.

Example: Someone trashing a car of an Asian = a racist dick

Example: Group (big or small) telling folks to trash an Asian looking person's property or kick their ass = racist group fomenting violence

USA cases of coronavirus:

230 dead ÷
17,729 =
0.0129730949 × 100 =
1.297% fatality rate

Many of these are older people and/or people with other health problems.

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bcredliner · #2 03-21-2020, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

I honestly have not seen anyone "stirring up" racists even now and it does seem to be people's personal perceptions as opposed to truly being an issue. Too many things today are about "feelings" and not facts. As we all know.... A turd cannot be polished even with glitter sprinkled on it, it is still a turd.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I would be truly interested in seeing any examples of racists being stirred up against Asians as opposed to some example of someone being a racist dick to an Asian over this.

Example: Someone trashing a car of an Asian = a racist dick

Example: Group (big or small) telling folks to trash an Asian looking person's property or kick their ass = racist group fomenting violence

USA cases of coronavirus:

230 dead ÷
17,729 =
0.0129730949 × 100 =
1.297% fatality rate

Many of these are older people and/or people with other health problems.

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I have no idea what stimulates a racist to go beyond talking. IMO it doesn't take much and it is a poor decision to put anything out there that might incite a racist to be more aggressive. How does your turd idiom apply to this?

Are the numbers related to Corona virus implying the CDC is driven by emotions or that the virus is no big deal?

If you are interested in examples of increased racism directed at Chinese Americans search Chinese racism due to Corona Virus on youtube.

Maruzo · #3 03-21-2020, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy

I honestly have not seen anyone "stirring up" racists even now and it does seem to be people's personal perceptions as opposed to truly being an issue. Too many things today are about "feelings" and not facts. As we all know.... A turd cannot be polished even with glitter sprinkled on it, it is still a turd.

Don't take this as a personal attack, but I would be truly interested in seeing any examples of racists being stirred up against Asians as opposed to some example of someone being a racist dick to an Asian over this.

Example: Someone trashing a car of an Asian = a racist dick

Example: Group (big or small) telling folks to trash an Asian looking person's property or kick their ass = racist group fomenting violence

USA cases of coronavirus:

230 dead ÷
17,729 =
0.0129730949 × 100 =
1.297% fatality rate

Many of these are older people and/or people with other health problems.

Sent from my SM-A730F using Tapatalk

The official number is not to be taken too seriously. You should expect the actual number of infected people to be much higher, and the mortality rate to be much higher as well.

We are WAY BEHIND the curve and continue to be as Trump and his team of cronies continue to place political motive above health and safety of the american citizens.

Given what we already know about this administration, it is wishful thinking to expect anything more from it.

Maruzo · #4 03-21-2020, 07:26 PM

Kindness from strangers abound!

EODguy · #5 03-21-2020, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

The official number is not to be taken too seriously. You should expect the actual number of infected people to be much higher, and the mortality rate to be much higher as well.

We are WAY BEHIND the curve and continue to be as Trump and his team of cronies continue to place political motive above health and safety of the american citizens.

Given what we already know about this administration, it is wishful thinking to expect anything more from it.

As far as numbers go, epidemiologists say that the number of infected people are probably as much as 5x or 7x the number of confirmed cases. So if the number of infected is much higher then known cases means that the mortality rate is far, far below what is known. I say this with 100% confidence because many people may have the virus and have few if any symptoms, but nobody is dead without people noticing especially in the "percentages" we are told to expect.... Therefore with a mortality rate already below that of the average flu, people should relax a ton more.

As for the whole thing with China... The Chinese government has been pushing the blame for the virus on America through wiebo/propaganda as noted by many intelligence sources so you can bet you will see many forms of pushback, such as reiterating exactly where the virus started.

Now the part about "Chinese" folks getting beaten and other things etc...

1. These have all been the actions of individual racist dicks and not as was said (stirring up racism against) because that takes a group or a group's leadership i.e. kkk, cair, Trump, Pelosi, Schumer or so on saying find, assault, alienate or whatever to any "Chinese" looking folks and I have not seen or heard of any of that happening.

2. Chinese is NOT a race and with the exception of people like my wife, who is a Naturalized Citizen. People have no claim of hyphenated status unless anyone believes in making a statement based upon skin color? My wife doesn't even use the hyphenated descriptor because... "So people think I'm not truly part of them or that I'm only half the worth of others?"

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About Trump (my opinion only) the economy, jobs, etc are the best they have been in many many years so I'm happy. His tweets are annoying but in some of the cases necessary due to the political machinations of competing parties that with the evidence out there have made their supposition as stated fact only to have it proven false later and never retracted, which makes Trump's comments necessary but mostly ill worded.

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Maruzo · #6 03-22-2020, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by EODguy

As far as numbers go, epidemiologists say that the number of infected people are probably as much as 5x or 7x the number of confirmed cases. So if the number of infected is much higher then known cases means that the mortality rate is far, far below what is known. I say this with 100% confidence because many people may have the virus and have few if any symptoms, but nobody is dead without people noticing especially in the "percentages" we are told to expect.... Therefore with a mortality rate already below that of the average flu, people should relax a ton more.

As for the whole thing with China... The Chinese government has been pushing the blame for the virus on America through wiebo/propaganda as noted by many intelligence sources so you can bet you will see many forms of pushback, such as reiterating exactly where the virus started.

Now the part about "Chinese" folks getting beaten and other things etc...

1. These have all been the actions of individual racist dicks and not as was said (stirring up racism against) because that takes a group or a group's leadership i.e. kkk, cair, Trump, Pelosi, Schumer or so on saying find, assault, alienate or whatever to any "Chinese" looking folks and I have not seen or heard of any of that happening.

2. Chinese is NOT a race and with the exception of people like my wife, who is a Naturalized Citizen. People have no claim of hyphenated status unless anyone believes in making a statement based upon skin color? My wife doesn't even use the hyphenated descriptor because... "So people think I'm not truly part of them or that I'm only half the worth of others?"

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About Trump (my opinion only) the economy, jobs, etc are the best they have been in many many years so I'm happy. His tweets are annoying but in some of the cases necessary due to the political machinations of competing parties that with the evidence out there have made their supposition as stated fact only to have it proven false later and never retracted, which makes Trump's comments necessary but mostly ill worded.

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So many glaring errors. But let's focus on the mortality rate. Average for regular flu death is 0.1%

Avg for Covid 19 has been shifting up. From 2.0% to 3.4% to as high as 7 percentage points.

So no, it's not just like a regular flu. It is much, much worse.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/italy/

bcredliner · #7 03-22-2020, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EODguy

As far as numbers go, epidemiologists say that the number of infected people are probably as much as 5x or 7x the number of confirmed cases. So if the number of infected is much higher then known cases means that the mortality rate is far, far below what is known. I say this with 100% confidence because many people may have the virus and have few if any symptoms, but nobody is dead without people noticing especially in the "percentages" we are told to expect.... Therefore with a mortality rate already below that of the average flu, people should relax a ton more.

As for the whole thing with China... The Chinese government has been pushing the blame for the virus on America through wiebo/propaganda as noted by many intelligence sources so you can bet you will see many forms of pushback, such as reiterating exactly where the virus started.

Now the part about "Chinese" folks getting beaten and other things etc...

1. These have all been the actions of individual racist dicks and not as was said (stirring up racism against) because that takes a group or a group's leadership i.e. kkk, cair, Trump, Pelosi, Schumer or so on saying find, assault, alienate or whatever to any "Chinese" looking folks and I have not seen or heard of any of that happening.

2. Chinese is NOT a race and with the exception of people like my wife, who is a Naturalized Citizen. People have no claim of hyphenated status unless anyone believes in making a statement based upon skin color? My wife doesn't even use the hyphenated descriptor because... "So people think I'm not truly part of them or that I'm only half the worth of others?"

----------------------------------------------------------------------
About Trump (my opinion only) the economy, jobs, etc are the best they have been in many many years so I'm happy. His tweets are annoying but in some of the cases necessary due to the political machinations of competing parties that with the evidence out there have made their supposition as stated fact only to have it proven false later and never retracted, which makes Trump's comments necessary but mostly ill worded.

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100% confidence has nothing to do with accuracy. I prefer the information the CDC puts out.

It doesn't take groups to indicate increased racism nor public figures to say go get them.

It doesn't matter if Chinese is a race or an ethnic group, there can be racism.

At some point the end does not justify the means. When any leader is not truthful with those that person is leading the end is not justified.

EODguy · #8 03-20-2020, 06:34 PM

If you suspect someone's opinion may be biased based on his political affiliation, beliefs, etc. we should all try to make our points with facts and without rancor. I happen to agree with most of what you said, but we can disagree with each other and still not come down on each other. I apologize if I have "stirred" the shit too much, but as an old troop it's kind of a habit...

My British counterpart said "yanks" are weird because in the UK folks are stockpiling toilet paper and that in the USA folks are stockpiling guns!!

I just told him it's too difficult to use toilet paper to make someone give you a gun...

He seems nervous now....

I am hopeful that everyone stays safe and remains friends or at least friendly long enough to put me in their will....

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bmw540san · #9 03-20-2020, 11:41 PM

As bad as virus is, lack of leadership is even worse. I don't belong to either party but I'm just using my common sense when I say this:

I've lived in US for 23 years now and I was never anti president til now. His die hard suporters can deny it all they want but the fact is that we have narcisistic maniac in the White House who constantly has to feed his ego and if you disagree with him or ask the question he doesn't like, he goes beserk.
The great think about this country is that president doesn't have powers like Putin or that maniac in North Korea, otherwise we'd truly see what our maniac is capable of.

Overboost · #10 03-21-2020, 07:24 AM

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