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Old 12-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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Let's say a kid takes dad's BMW X5M for a spin without asking permission, then gets drunk and goes crazy speeding on the highway, getting into an accident killing a few people.

What if because of that there was a sudden clamor for the banning of high horsepower vehicles, especially BMWs?

Why, less high performance cars would mean less incidents of speeding! A positive step in reducing the number of drunk driving accidents is to reduce the number of cars, especially high performance cars, on the road.

After all, who really NEEDS a high performance car when a hybrid will get you where you need to while being good for the environment too?

I dont buy those arguments, because I am in the belief that BMW's or high performance cars dont in and of themselves cause anyone to drive irresponsibly. If a person causes a problem with one, he was most probably a problem to begin with.

A gun will not cause a shooting just like a BMW will not make me speed if I didnt want to in the first place. Smilarly, if a person is intent on killing a few people he will do it, with or without a gun.

Identify the crazies that do these things (whether driving or shooting), get them help or separate them from society, punish those that do crazy appropriately. The gun/car is not the problem, it didnt do it itself.

CT already has an assault weapons ban in place.

Columbine happened during the assault weapons ban that sunset in 2004.

Knowing this, do I advocate not doing anything? No, not at all.

I would like to see action on identifying the root cause of these incidents and addressing them, not knee jerk reactions that limit the rights and criminalize the law-abiding when the people who do these thing have no regard for the law.
driving a BMW or a trabant requires a set of skills identified by a driver's license (not getting into discussion that some people should not have licenses!!!). Do people drive without license? of course they do... do cops try to weed them out? of course they do... cars must have insurance in order to be operated on the public roads...

how about an insurance mandate for gun owners?? once insurance companies get involved into gun business, I think a lot of gun controls will happen naturally... unless there is already mandatory insurance for the gun owners...

and again, cars have a purpose other then killing innocent pedestrians waiting for a bus at a bus stop - guns do not have that "other" purpose...

So, what would happen if insurance companies will have to insure everyone who owns a gun? if you own a hunting gun, your premium will be $XX, if you own a bazooka - your premium will be $XXXXX...

maybe that will help?

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Why are we not banning McDonald's. Trick question, what is the biggest killer of Americans lately? We should ban all fast food chains. We should ban all drugs and alcohol. We should also ban all high power cars. You start banning one thing, it will never end. Do you have a choice to eat shit and kill yourself with that? Yes you do. Do you have a choice to feed your mids with the same shit? Do you have a choice to buy violent games for your kids, which might teach them how to kill? When are you banning all that?

I have a choice to own a gun. I will teach my daughters how to shoot as soon as I deem them old enough. I will teach them proper gun control, safety, and potential damage that can be achieved.

I've also been in two gun situations. I didn't fire a shot in either, but was glad I had a gun.
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Why are we not banning McDonald's. Trick question, what is the biggest killer of Americans lately? We should ban all fast food chains. We should ban all drugs and alcohol. We should also ban all high power cars. You start banning one thing, it will never end. Do you have a choice to eat shit and kill yourself with that? Yes you do. Do you have a choice to feed your mids with the same shit? Do you have a choice to buy violent games for your kids, which might teach them how to kill? When are you banning all that?

I have a choice to own a gun. I will teach my daughters how to shoot as soon as I deem them old enough. I will teach them proper gun control, safety, and potential damage that can be achieved.

I've also been in two gun situations. I didn't fire a shot in either, but was glad I had a gun.
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and again, cars have a purpose other then killing innocent pedestrians waiting for a bus at a bus stop - guns do not have that "other" purpose...
Guns do have a legitimate use. The defense of life, liberty and property against otherwise overwhelming odds and circumstances.

"...Do you believe that you are forbidden to protect yourself because the police are better qualified to protect you, because they know what they are doing but you're a rank amateur? Put aside that this is equivalent to believing that only concert pianists may play the piano and only professional athletes may play sports. What exactly are these special qualities possessed only by the police and beyond the rest of us mere mortals?

One who values his life and takes seriously his responsibilities to his family and community will possess and cultivate the means of fighting back, and will retaliate when threatened with death or grievous injury to himself or a loved one. He will never be content to rely solely on others for his safety, or to think he has done all that is possible by being aware of his surroundings and taking measures of avoidance. Let's not mince words: He will be armed, will be trained in the use of his weapon, and will defend himself when faced with lethal violence."

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Why are we not banning McDonald's. Trick question, what is the biggest killer of Americans lately? We should ban all fast food chains. We should ban all drugs and alcohol. We should also ban all high power cars. You start banning one thing, it will never end. Do you have a choice to eat shit and kill yourself with that? Yes you do. Do you have a choice to feed your mids with the same shit? Do you have a choice to buy violent games for your kids, which might teach them how to kill? When are you banning all that?

I have a choice to own a gun. I will teach my daughters how to shoot as soon as I deem them old enough. I will teach them proper gun control, safety, and potential damage that can be achieved.

I've also been in two gun situations. I didn't fire a shot in either, but was glad I had a gun.
The 2 arguments are NOT RELEVANT. I'm sorry but both a car and McDonalds have other primary uses but a gun does not. Trying to compare the 2 is asinine
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Guns do have a legitimate use. The defense of life, liberty and property against otherwise overwhelming odds and circumstances.

"...Do you believe that you are forbidden to protect yourself because the police are better qualified to protect you, because they know what they are doing but you're a rank amateur? Put aside that this is equivalent to believing that only concert pianists may play the piano and only professional athletes may play sports. What exactly are these special qualities possessed only by the police and beyond the rest of us mere mortals?

One who values his life and takes seriously his responsibilities to his family and community will possess and cultivate the means of fighting back, and will retaliate when threatened with death or grievous injury to himself or a loved one. He will never be content to rely solely on others for his safety, or to think he has done all that is possible by being aware of his surroundings and taking measures of avoidance. Let's not mince words: He will be armed, will be trained in the use of his weapon, and will defend himself when faced with lethal violence."

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What is your point? This just reads like some long ramble
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I will keep my guns thank you.

Lets figure out if how to get our country under control again, or maybe how to quit spending like drunken sailors. Or lets talk about term limits that would be interesting. We already have gun control laws in effect...or maybe we could take Chicago's approach. They only have shootings every few hours out there.
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What is your point? This just reads like some long ramble
Thread is about stances on gun control.

The essay at the link pretty much tells it as it is for me.

Did you read it?
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I will keep my guns thank you.

Lets figure out if how to get our country under control again, or maybe how to quit spending like drunken sailors. Or lets talk about term limits that would be interesting. We already have gun control laws in effect...or maybe we could take Chicago's approach. They only have shootings every few hours out there.
And THIS is why we have issues today. This whole "oh let's deflect to something else and everything is great, all laws are working" mentality is why we need additional regulation on the federal level because it clearly isn't going to happen on the local level
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I am taking the same approach the government has and will continue to do. We don't have a problem, you do. If you don't like the current laws, move. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are their for a reason. That's why they call if the Bill of Rights. I have the right to bear arms just like you have the right to freedom of speech.

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