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Old 12-26-2012, 03:11 PM
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I am taking the same approach the government has and will continue to do. We don't have a problem, you do. If you don't like the current laws, move. The Constitution and Bill of Rights are their for a reason. That's why they call if the Bill of Rights. I have the right to bear arms just like you have the right to freedom of speech.

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Nobody Is trying to take all guns away but it's high time we ban assault weapons and large scale ammunition. There is no logical reason for someone to have it. Period
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:39 PM
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To be clear, I don't own a gun at this moment because it is too much liability to me.
I don't own a dog for a same reason.

I would get a gun, if different situations arise say I move to very isolated area, or go camping in area where bears frequent, etc. I would purchase a proper gun safe, and follow protocols. I just have no reason to own one at where I am.
Not because I am against gun ownership for qualified individuals.

If anyone ask me some of the people I know who own guns will always make right choices with the firearms, "I would say hell no."
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:17 PM
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I normally don't get involved in these discussions, but I think some people take too much from our media and lawmakers. So which one of these is an "assault weapon"?



Most folks will answer the one on the bottom. My question is why??

Hate to break this to ya, but they are the exact same firearm; are the same length, utilize the same ammunition, and both have detachable magazines. So is it because the one on the bottom is all blacked out, has a bunch of additional doo-dads attached to it and generally scares us that makes it an assault weapon?

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Nobody Is trying to take all guns away but it's high time we ban assault weapons and large scale ammunition. There is no logical reason for someone to have it. Period
So that would mean the bottom choice by most peoples (and the media/lawmakers) definition. But by my example I could just go to my local sporting goods store and purchase the top rifle and do the same amount of damage. Where is the line drawn?
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And THIS is why we have issues today. This whole "oh let's deflect to something else and everything is great, all laws are working" mentality is why we need additional regulation on the federal level because it clearly isn't going to happen on the local level
Gun control is much more of a deflection than what you are claiming.

Its a symptom of the whole entitlement mentality going on today.

"Wahhh some crazy went out and killed a lot of people. Govt, protect me by banning icky guns!"

Some of us prefer to have the capability to be able to do something about it should we find ourselves in such an unfortunate situation.

Some of us see things as they are. Firearms are simply inanimate tools. How can banning an inanimate object stop someone from doing something crazy?

Let me ask you, If someone handed you a gun, would it somehow make you want to go out and shoot a whole bunch of people?

If it doesnt, shame on you for thinking the rest of us law abiding owners are somehow so morally bankrupt and deficient as to be directed to such an act by an inanimate object!

And if you somehow do tend to think of shooting people when holding a gun, I'm sorry but you are not one to discussing about its legislation in the first place.

You want it banned for the masses and have police with guns be there to take care of things?

First, they are only a general deterrent. They are not there to guarantee the safety of each citizen, they are there to help handle things we the people cannot handle on our own.

Second, how can you morally condone someone with a deadly gun defending you when you think guns are so horrible and evil in the first place?

Is your own life worth defending?

If so, ultimately, who's responsibility is it to defend it?

Given an overwhelming threat against your own life, like yourself against many, someone physically more powerful than you, or one with a weapon, what would you choose to defend yourself with?
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:26 PM
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Guns.. Is this the real issue? No I do not believe so. The real issue is we live in a politically correct society and when somebody gets their feelings hurt they want to go shoot up the place. This new generation is so sensitive, they get picked on or "bullied" in school then they go home get the daddy's legal gun take it to school and kill a bunch of people. We need to get back to disciplining our children and teaching them to stand up for themselves. Not everyone can be a winner, everybody loses sometime. Also we need to get "big government" out of what local government is paid to do.
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I will keep mine thank you very much.. for all those opposing I hope you have some way of defending yourself when you need it. If some lunatic want it bad enough you really think they won't find a way to get a gun even through a ban? You swear nobody got any alcohol during prohibition.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:38 AM
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in a law-abiding society I should not resort to self-defense, judgement and execution... (for some reason the Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman case comes to mind). In a wild-wild west - it is a different story...


on the other hand, if the foreign power invades and the military for some reason is not capable, than the civilian backup to the military makes sense... As it is written in the 2nd amendment, as a matter of fact...

I am trying to remember, which oriental city has like a 1000 unarmed cops keeping peace - is it Singapore? It would be clearly a SUICIDAL mission in NYC... or LA... we are different, and should acknowledge that - we are rather a violent society, glorifying crime - "gone in 60 seconds", "fast & furious" are just couple of movies coming to mind where criminals are portrayed as modern day Robin Hoods, Zorros... while in reality, many of them are trying to finance their habits... whatever those might be...
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Guns.. Is this the real issue? No I do not believe so. The real issue is we live in a politically correct society and when somebody gets their feelings hurt they want to go shoot up the place. This new generation is so sensitive, they get picked on or "bullied" in school then they go home get the daddy's legal gun take it to school and kill a bunch of people. We need to get back to disciplining our children and teaching them to stand up for themselves. Not everyone can be a winner, everybody loses sometime. Also we need to get "big government" out of what local government is paid to do.
AGREED! This is exactly what I started off stating. It's not the proliferation of guns that should alarm people but rather that these mass killers choose to act the way they do. If people read about a man who had been fired from his job for being terrible at his job who then goes to his former workplace with a hatchet and hacks 10 people to death, including totally uninvolved people, would you react and say that hatchets are to blame or would your first reaction be "why would someone do such a thing over losing a job???". Exactly....

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in a law-abiding society I should not resort to self-defense, judgement and execution... (for some reason the Trayvon Martin - Zimmerman case comes to mind). In a wild-wild west - it is a different story...


on the other hand, if the foreign power invades and the military for some reason is not capable, than the civilian backup to the military makes sense... As it is written in the 2nd amendment, as a matter of fact...

I am trying to remember, which oriental city has like a 1000 unarmed cops keeping peace - is it Singapore? It would be clearly a SUICIDAL mission in NYC... or LA... we are different, and should acknowledge that - we are rather a violent society, glorifying crime - "gone in 60 seconds", "fast & furious" are just couple of movies coming to mind where criminals are portrayed as modern day Robin Hoods, Zorros... while in reality, many of them are trying to finance their habits... whatever those might be...
The key to your statement is the presupposition that we live in a law-abiding society. Most people do comport with this but a dangerous minority do not. If you do not believe in the right of self defense when attacked then you are not just denying the law but denying a basic human instinct. I'm not talking about a "Red Dawn"scenario where we'd have to defend against invading Russians. I'm talking about an armed intruder breaks into your house while you are home with your family. What would you do? Of course you'd defend yourself. What would you want to have to survive the situation?

The Trayon Martin case is so distorted by the media that I don't know if we'll ever get the truth but that case is not about gun control whatsoever so I'll leave it at that.

I absolutely agree with you that our society is different than many others for whatever reason. We pride ourselves on many freedoms but those freedoms come with a price, whether it is the freedom to pursue the American Dream in a free market economy that results in disparate wealth or whether it be the freedom of speech where people can vehemently argue their sides no matter how vile it is.

djbock: No evil black rifle!!! This one is much kinder and gentler.



BTW, this is a real and fully functional AR-15 (California compliant) rifle.
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being caught on camera with military weapon in my hands i should just shut the heck up... ... but this is NOT my personal gun, it belongs to my uncle... Uncle Sam...
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