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Old 01-02-2013, 09:27 PM
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You know, I heard that the riots in LA had LE on their heels. It was due to the shopkeepers possessing firearms that actually helped LE take control over the situation.
Imagine if all the protesters brought their guns as well...that would have been the safest place in the world....

Sure a good guy with a gun is in best position to stop a bad guy with a gun...if he happens to be there...at the right time...with the right gun....etc

but more people with guns means more gun violence... its all numbers really nothing more to it.
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Imagine if all the protesters brought their guns as well...that would have been the safest place in the world....

Sure a good guy with a gun is in best position to stop a bad guy with a gun...if he happens to be there...at the right time...with the right gun....etc

but more people with guns means more gun violence... its all numbers really nothing more to it.
I guess I'm of the opinion that when people lose their job, money, food, shelter...violence will increase. If everyone is working, plenty of food, shelter, etc....you get less violence.
I don't think that widespread gun ownership increases gun violence. How many guns are owned in the USA? Suffice it to say...alot. For the last 20 years our violent crime rates have been cut in half. It was a pretty good 20 year run with our economy.

Recently, I was at a mall on a Friday afternoon. A man was riding the escalator just in front of me. Holstered on the side of his hip was a revolver. I immediately thought...no one's gonna f'k with this guy. And, then I thought, if anything breaks out...I hope he's nearby. AND, then I thought...if we posses a gun, we should all holster on our hip...for EVERYONE to see.
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I guess I'm of the opinion that when people lose their job, money, food, shelter...violence will increase. If everyone is working, plenty of food, shelter, etc....you get less violence.
I don't think that widespread gun ownership increases gun violence. How many guns are owned in the USA? Suffice it to say...alot. For the last 20 years our violent crime rates have been cut in half. It was a pretty good 20 year run with our economy.

Recently, I was at a mall on a Friday afternoon. A man was riding the escalator just in front of me. Holstered on the side of his hip was a revolver. I immediately thought...no one's gonna f'k with this guy. And, then I thought, if anything breaks out...I hope he's nearby. AND, then I thought...if we posses a gun, we should all holster on our hip...for EVERYONE to see.
how do you know that guy is a good guy?
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The article very clearly shows the stats for the degrees of crimes. It's not my fault that countries define violent offenses differently. Each reader can decide for themselves what to think.
You are continuing to compare apples and oranges. When that is pointed out to you, you claim that it isn't your fault, because it isn't your information, and that you are just quoting it. You also act hurt and claim you are suffering personal attacks.

Look at your linked article again. It is quoting a Conservative party spokesperson, who is critical of the governing party. It is published in a proudly conservative newspaper. That is fine, but there are also counterpoints by the Labour spokesperson. And you are cherry picking the comments from the Conservative. You aren't quoting facts, you are quoting opinions. Just use the editorial page next time.

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If you say so.

Once again, it is pointed out in your own link that the crime counts use different metrics in each country. Yet you continue to quote them. Why would I possibly be concerned over such comparisons? They are of no consequence. And I see no reason to post factual links referencing independent statistics when you seem to think that post count wins over post quality.
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how do you know that guy is a good guy?
Well, he didn't shoot me or anyone else at the mall that day!

Seriously, it crossed my mind. I thought, if this guy pulls his gun to rob me or a store in the mall...is there anything I can do? While I did feel a little vulnerable, I trusted that when someone holsters a gun for all to see...they're probably not the criminal type. I would think that those guys hide their gun(s) until they reach their prey.
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You are continuing to compare apples and oranges. When that is pointed out to you, you claim that it isn't your fault, because it isn't your information, and that you are just quoting it. You also act hurt and claim you are suffering personal attacks.

I'm not acting "hurt". I'm asking you nicely to cease with the personal attacks. If you have facts that contradict the articles...then post 'til your heart is content.
Again, each reader can decide the validity of the article's posted. You clearly don't like the content...so, move on.
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Well, he didn't shoot me or anyone else at the mall that day!

Seriously, it crossed my mind. I thought, if this guy pulls his gun to rob me or a store in the mall...is there anything I can do? While I did feel a little vulnerable, I trusted that when someone holsters a gun for all to see...they're probably not the criminal type. I would think that those guys hide their gun(s) until they reach their prey.
hopefully you realize that every person has THAT "button" that will push that person overboard... for some, it is a baby crying non-stop on the bus while you are travelling from Miami to NYC... for others, it is the dumb boss that is asking impossible, and at the end promotes a total ass-kisser, and bypasses you... for the others, it is that jerk in that expensive BMW (i had to bring BMW into the picture!!) who thinks he is the king of the road, and almost clipped you...

So, some people are reaching for the tire iron, or grab a suitcase and throw it or... or, they reach for something that is more convenient and scary...
As long as you know, that guy on the escalator was at the end of his rope, and all he needed just that last straw... Don't you watch the news, when on Black Friday people brandish their guns? The pilots undergoing psycho evaluations every so often.. the LE people are taking special tests.... doctors have gazillion tests... people who are capable of taking other people's lives in their daily routine undergo a lot of evaluations... a regular Joe-Shmoe might be seeing shrink but chances are - not...

If there are NO weapons in amateurs' hands, there are less chances of making a mistake - bad enough, we have just about every Joe-schmoe driving a car without knowing what the hell they are doing... and part of the point is - why does my mother need a gun? she is NOT trained how to handle it, she is NOT part of the State sponsored and well regulated militia, and probably poses more threat to society with a tool in her hands that she can't use (if she had a power drill in her hands, I'd be worried almost as much!!!). that is the point - too many guns in the hands of the GOOD people that have no business of having those guns...
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I don't think that widespread gun ownership increases gun violence. How many guns are owned in the USA? Suffice it to say...alot. For the last 20 years our violent crime rates have been cut in half. It was a pretty good 20 year run with our economy.
283 million, give or take.

"The overall firearm related death rate among US children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized nations combined."

I am tremendously saddened to hear that this constitutes a pretty good run.

Link here: The U.S. Compared to Other Nations
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If you have facts that contradict the articles...then post 'til your heart is content.
Again, each reader can decide the validity of the articles posted. You clearly don't like the content...so, move on.
There was no reason to post contradictory links, since the articles in your own links disproved your original thesis. That was my point. Please see your own links.
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hopefully you realize that every person has THAT "button" that will push that person overboard... for some, it is a baby crying non-stop on the bus while you are travelling from Miami to NYC... for others, it is the dumb boss that is asking impossible, and at the end promotes a total ass-kisser, and bypasses you... for the others, it is that jerk in that expensive BMW (i had to bring BMW into the picture!!) who thinks he is the king of the road, and almost clipped you...

So, some people are reaching for the tire iron, or grab a suitcase and throw it or... or, they reach for something that is more convenient and scary...
As long as you know, that guy on the escalator was at the end of his rope, and all he needed just that last straw... Don't you watch the news, when on Black Friday people brandish their guns? The pilots undergoing psycho evaluations every so often.. the LE people are taking special tests.... doctors have gazillion tests... people who are capable of taking other people's lives in their daily routine undergo a lot of evaluations... a regular Joe-Shmoe might be seeing shrink but chances are - not...

If there are NO weapons in amateurs' hands, there are less chances of making a mistake - bad enough, we have just about every Joe-schmoe driving a car without knowing what the hell they are doing... and part of the point is - why does my mother need a gun? she is NOT trained how to handle it, she is NOT part of the State sponsored and well regulated militia, and probably poses more threat to society with a tool in her hands that she can't use (if she had a power drill in her hands, I'd be worried almost as much!!!). that is the point - too many guns in the hands of the GOOD people that have no business of having those guns...

All very good points Terminator. I do agree that PROPER training is important for everyone's safety. Don't restrict my potential for arming because your mom might pose more of a risk to herself or others while handling a firearm.

Did you see that video in one of the links I provided about the guns being confiscated in N.O. during Katrina? That woman was quite elderly...but, I'd trust her with a firearm. Notice how she said she was handling the gun when the goons tackled her to disarm her?
This kind of reminds me of people that have a license to drive a vehicle...when they probably really shouldn't. Life just can't be made risk less...well, I suppose you could lock yourself in a prison cell to avoid...life in this world.

You know, I've said for most of my life that I'd probably be a victim of gun violence...because I'm so adamant about protecting our rights as Americans. Our founding fathers thought it was our responsibility to keep things in check. I didn't even own a gun until about 3 years ago...but, have always tried to speak up for those who do carry.
I can see the need for more widespread gun ownership in America if the number of LEO's are let go. I hope it doesn't happen. I hope this country doesn't hit as low as some predict. If it does, it's going to be ugly and I will do everything I can to protect my loved ones.
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