Gun Control What's your take??? - Page 9

TerminatorX5 · #1 01-12-2013, 07:03 PM

i read it - did you read it? before copyingh and pasting something I would make sure I at least glance over it...

i do not see reference to the US government as being tyrant (even though some may say otherwise)... All references here are made to the king whose bones are long turned into dust... that document, while presents a true historical value and base for our nation has long lost its teeth...

a quarter of millenia later we have moved on - the passage on the slavery, while being part of the constitution has been amended as not reflecting the true nature of all men being EQUAL... So, it is possible to adjust the understanding of centuries old document to reflect today's environment...

so, the notion, that we NEED guns to correct OUR government is ridiculous, unless you are siding with our enemies... we correct our government by electing the officials that represent our views (granted, those officials get carried away in Washington't politics and act in manner not consistent with our choices). But to remove them from the power, we do not resort to guns, we use the representational democracy (i would prefer direct democracy)...

My point is, even if our ancentors used to carve writings in stone using chisels, we do not have to do the same, we have pens, paper, for God's sake, we have those finger-touchy pads that we can write with...

Just because during our ancentors' times there was a great risk of a tyrant (Napoleon Banaparte becoming an Emperor of the French Republic circa 1800), now our nation is too strong for such a risk... we do not resort to Reign of Terror a la Robiespierre.. those examples were vivid before our eyes bsck in the XVIII century, we needed to make sure nothing like that happens on our land... guns, being one of those things...

besides, the constitution has been amended several times after the slavery, in more recent times - before 1920 (give or take 5 years, i just don't remember the date) the women could not vote... yeah... right... let me tell my wife that I, as a man, more superior to her... hahaha

my point - if something is outdated, it needs to updated - you are not using T-model Ford as your daily driver, are you?

Quicksilver · #2 01-17-2013, 02:55 AM

That's right NRA score them points...

The ad says

"Are the president's kids more important than yours?" the ad asks. "Then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in our schools when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school?" The ad continues: "Mr. Obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes, but he is just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to a fair share of security."

NRA Ad Targeting Obama Family Draws White House Response: 'Repugnant And Cowardly'

JCL · #3 01-17-2013, 03:10 AM

Are his kids more important? No.

Are they more likely to be attacked by a nut with a gun? Yes.

Are the people defending his kids highly trained? Yes.

Are his kids more likely to be taken and used as leverage to try and gain control over the president? Yes.

Is this whole ad campaign an attempt to change the subject? Yes.

rebound · #4 01-17-2013, 08:59 AM

If the President hadn't pulled those kids on stage for his press conference, then I would agree with you.

The minute he did, he made the NRA ad reasonable.

If the President doesn't like the exploitation of children, he should refrain from doing it.

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JCL · #5 01-17-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rebound

If the President hadn't pulled those kids on stage for his press conference, then I would agree with you.

The minute he did, he made the NRA ad reasonable.

If the President doesn't like the exploitation of children, he should refrain from doing it.

Fair enough, I see your point. For my part, it wasn't the children I was referring to in my comment about the attempt to change the subject, it was the reference to Obama's children. I saw both sides using children in the debate, I just didn't see the president's children as being relevant. If all children deserve armed guards in their schools, then I guess they all deserve to live in the White House as well.

noncom23 · #6 01-17-2013, 09:52 AM

"The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine

rebound · #7 01-18-2013, 09:55 AM

Since you're Canadian, I'll ask. What's your take on the recent end to Canada's long-gun registry?

Apparently the RCMP couldn't justify its expense in relation to stopping murders?

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JCL · #8 01-19-2013, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rebound

Since you're Canadian, I'll ask. What's your take on the recent end to Canada's long-gun registry?

Apparently the RCMP couldn't justify its expense in relation to stopping murders?

I don't have a strong opinion. All other guns are registered (ie handguns). All gun owners are licensed. Many types of guns are restricted or prohibited. There is no concealed carry for self-defence. I'm not any type of expert, so I stand to be corrected on those details.

Against that backdrop, I do think guns should be registered, but that rifles and shotguns probably aren't the biggest issue we have here. I think that the long gun registry was badly implemented, and cost too much. But the police (including the RCMP) did support it. Cancelling the long gun registry ended up being purely a political decision, IMO.

lakai · #9 01-18-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd

I absolutely support the following:
-Tougher Back round Checks with MANDATORY training (Including most importantly those selling online AND at Gun Shows) because currently by most estimates only 60% of those purchasing a weapon are subject to a back round check making it easy to circumvent the system and purchase a weapon

What do you mean by tougher background checks? Are the background checks now insufficient ? Please explain the current background check process and details as well as well as how they could be improved.

Mandatory Training ? What do you mean by that ? firearms training like in the military ? Mandatory training to teach someone how to kill people?

You can not buy a firearm online and have it sent to your door in any state nor do I know of any legitimate firearms dealer do that from what I understand with an exception to specific guns that are on the C&R list (Guns and to C&R License holders.

Some examples of C&R firearms are most manually-operated and semi-automatic firearms used by a military force prior to 1946. This includes most firearms (other than automatic weapons) used by the warring nations in World Wars I and II.

All fully automatic weapons require very strict to get Federal Licenses which require a Police Chief to fill out a form and return to the ATF and already banned completely in some states like mine. Even if you could get a license , you are talking about guns that cost in the range starting $10,000+ USD. The price and Permit process alone is a deterent for 95% of people from owning them legaly.

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd

-Expanded State Reporting to create improved communication between states
-The creation (and strict enforcement) of a "prohibited individuals list" which bans people for various reasons (prior Felon with weapons charges, mentally ill etc.) from owning any gun in any state for any reason

What do you want reported ?? Do you want all firearms owners pictures and and information to be published publicly like a sex offenders list or like how that one newspaper on the east coast did that published the names and addresses of every gun owner on their website by obtaining the info via FOIA? Thus treating every owner of a firearm as if they were a criminal??

As I Understand it, you can not purchase a firearm legally, at least in my state (CA) if you have been convicted of a felony. The already MANDATORY background check in California already checks for criminal history.

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd

-The Complete banning of Assault Weapons and High Capacity Magazines because they really have absolutely no relevance in today's modernized society

Define the term "Assault weapon". Any weapon used for the purpose of assaulting another person ?? I want to know what you want to ban completely and specifically that isn't banned already.

How many rounds of ammunition define "High Capacity" ?? Here in California all firearm magazines are limited to 10 bullets.

I am not a very political person I am not a criminal I have a family. I also have guns. I have guns because I enjoy having them. I don't hunt with them I just shoot at paper targets. I don't "need" a gun to protect my family but the 2nd amendment gives me the right to have one for that purpose should I choose.

I am a responsible gun owner. Safety is always the priority, my kids aren't allowed to handle , touch, my guns and never even seen them. They are locked up in the safe, unloaded and out of their reach.

Please answer my questions if you can. I am all for anything that will guarentee the the safety of my family and things like the recent shooting from happening again. Even if I have to give up my rights and my guns. I just need to understand how your proposals that are not already by law will stop a tragedy like ct from happening EVER again.

Thank you

xsx450 · #10 01-22-2013, 12:56 PM

I swear to god some of you guys live in fooking LA LA Land!

Just because you lived a sheltered life where mommy and daddy kept you safe from the harsh realities of the world and the united states did such a good job of making you feel safe for YOUR entire life you are ignorant to the world we live in?

I realize many and most of you are highly educated or god damn lucky because of how well off you seem to be. READ A FOOKING HISTORY BOOK.

You are pathetic if you think guns are not needed to protect people, just because you think "it won't happen to me". You all sound like the blind leading the blind. What happens when someone does threaten to hurt your loved ones and your sitting there with your dick in your hand because "In this day in age we dont need guns" WOW. Do you really think criminals don't have them ILLEGALLY. Do you really think any amount of regulation will change that??? What a joke.

What happens when we all bend over and hand over our guns to the government. Do we just do whatever they say? Do we just submit to their every demand? Some of you would like, no LOVE, that.

Look at how this country was MADE! Jesus you guys are as unamerican as can be. If you want to live in a country without guns, THEN GO. No shit their gun crime rates are lower. WHY DON'T YOU OPEN YOUR EYES AND LOOK AT THE OTHER STATISTICS LIKE VIOLENT CRIME WITHOUT GUNS??? Does anyone know why we left for the new world?

What a joke telling us all about your multimillion dollar gated community. GOOD FOR YOU, you are safe, and you do not need a gun. But when the guy that doesn't have all of that see's you and comes into your house to take what you have without a care in the world for human life, your not going to even get to look like an idiot. Your going to be dead laying in your families arms.

Wake up people. All of the unrest in the world could just as easily happen in the US at ANY TIME. what do you think would happen if the banks closed, gas stations closed, and food sold out at the super market? WE WOULDNT ALL HOLD HANDS. Just because the US hasn't had a major crisis in quite a while does not allow us to all live with our head up our ass in LA LA Land. I swear to god some of you are a joke.