What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

The issue is about the pork shoved in by the Democrats. If anyone here thinks that sending roughly 75% of the $900 bn to foreign countries is a good idea then don't bitch that it's only $600. Trump says make it $2k per person but don't give it to anyone but Americans.

As for the timing of the relief bill you have Nancy Pelosi to thank for waiting (she wouldn't do shit till after the election) and she even said so on tv. We all know that if you were to give every American (citizens only) 330,000,000 $600 that it would total out to $198bn so $702bn is at this moment for other countries and most of that isn't for covid19 relief there...


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There was some pork in the bill the House approved last March. There is in almost ever bill from both sides. That was not what stalled the vote prior to the election. Simply, the Senate refused to bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate floor or negotiate with the house until it was about a week prior to the deadline. At that point a small bipartisan committee negotiated and agreed on a bill to vote through for the Trump's signature.

That was when Trump said he wanted the amount to citizens making over $75,000 to be 2,000 rather than $600. However, he did not veto the bill that would have given the house and senate the opportunity to overrule the veto.

So now the bill goes back to the bipartisan committee for negotiated revisions and then hopefully for approval by House and Senate and to Trump for approval. If the bill is signed as originally presented to Trump or even revised and signed by Trump, Biden will still request a new bill to provide relief to those still in need.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

There was some pork in the bill the House approved last March. There is in almost ever bill from both sides. That was not what stalled the vote prior to the election. Simply, the Senate refused to bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate floor or negotiate with the house until it was about a week prior to the deadline. At that point a small bipartisan committee negotiated and agreed on a bill to vote through for the Trump's signature.



That was when Trump said he wanted the amount to citizens making over $75,000 to be 2,000 rather than $600. However, he did not veto the bill that would have given the house and senate the opportunity to overrule the veto.



So now the bill goes back to the bipartisan committee for negotiated revisions and then hopefully for approval by House and Senate and to Trump for approval. If the bill is signed as originally presented to Trump or even revised and signed by Trump, Biden will still request a new bill to provide relief to those still in need.

Actually there was a ton of pork in what the Democrats wanted in the 2nd stimulus package and the Republicans were offering more previously but Nancy Pelosi would not negotiate out the pork (think $$ for riot repair, budget shortfalls of some cities, etc.) The after the election she stripped the pork and settled for even less than what was previously offered by Republicans.

When asked what changed she said.... "new president, new vaccine" so the delay was from the House not the Senate.

Pelosi previously encountered criticism for not supporting a moderate Democratic proposal, insisting on a much larger price tag. The current proposal from the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group of 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats working to find bipartisan solutions, is $908 billion, significantly less than the $1.5 trillion proposed before the election. In October, the White House had also proposed a $1.8 trillion package, roughly twice the size of the one Pelosi is now backing.
When asked about her shift on supporting the much smaller package, Pelosi cited "a new president and a vaccine."


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Originally Posted by EODguy

Actually there was a ton of pork in what the Democrats wanted in the 2nd stimulus package and the Republicans were offering more previously but Nancy Pelosi would not negotiate out the pork (think $$ for riot repair, budget shortfalls of some cities, etc.) The after the election she stripped the pork and settled for even less than what was previously offered by Republicans.

When asked what changed she said.... "new president, new vaccine" so the delay was from the House not the Senate.

Pelosi previously encountered criticism for not supporting a moderate Democratic proposal, insisting on a much larger price tag. The current proposal from the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group of 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats working to find bipartisan solutions, is $908 billion, significantly less than the $1.5 trillion proposed before the election. In October, the White House had also proposed a $1.8 trillion package, roughly twice the size of the one Pelosi is now backing.
When asked about her shift on supporting the much smaller package, Pelosi cited "a new president and a vaccine."


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Speaking of pork, us pig farmers raise swine with ractopamine as a feed additive to bulk up the animal weeks before they are ready for the slaughterhouse.

These additives stay in the system for 7~10 days or more. It is banned for export to the EU and China.

US negotiated a trade agreement with Taiwan to supply certain percentage of pigs fed with ractopamine.

To entice EU and China's acceptance of US swines, 2 of the largest us producers of pork, JBS USA and Tyson have stopped using the feed additive.

There's a reason why ractopamine is banned in these other countries. I wouldn't want to consume it either without knowing the long term effects of such additive.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Actually there was a ton of pork in what the Democrats wanted in the 2nd stimulus package and the Republicans were offering more previously but Nancy Pelosi would not negotiate out the pork (think $$ for riot repair, budget shortfalls of some cities, etc.) The after the election she stripped the pork and settled for even less than what was previously offered by Republicans.

When asked what changed she said.... "new president, new vaccine" so the delay was from the House not the Senate.

Pelosi previously encountered criticism for not supporting a moderate Democratic proposal, insisting on a much larger price tag. The current proposal from the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group of 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats working to find bipartisan solutions, is $908 billion, significantly less than the $1.5 trillion proposed before the election. In October, the White House had also proposed a $1.8 trillion package, roughly twice the size of the one Pelosi is now backing.
When asked about her shift on supporting the much smaller package, Pelosi cited "a new president and a vaccine."


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The senate did not bring a package to the floor for discussion or vote. There was no negotiation until after the election as you pointed out. The house had voted and passed their proposal several months prior. The Senate refused to to take it up or negotiate with the house until it came done to the wire. Thankfully, a bi-partisan group came together and got at least something done.