What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[AVB-AMG]

We know that Donald Trump is thoroughly unfit to serve as the POTUS, but he is becoming more and more unhinged. His wallowing in his spiteful, vindictiveness is leading him down the proverbial rabbit hole that continues to make a mockery of our country's accepted and tradition political norms, let alone our moral and ethical values. His continued mental state of denial, refusing to publicly accept his defeat in both the popular vote and Electoral College vote, is shameful enough. Now his reported speculative discussions with his few remaining loyal, radically crazy, Looney Toon sycophants/advisors regarding considering declaring Martial Law and/or attempting a doomed-to-fail attempt to prevent Congress from validating the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6, 2021, is truly frightening.

In his latest moves over the past several days, issuing massive quantities of presidential pardons of his friends, extended family members, confidents, loyalists, along with those who have justly been convicted of crimes, let alone those who admitted and plead guilty, is quite astounding in a very negative sense. His pardon actions makes a total mockery of the rule of law since it is a blatant corruption of justice in our society. His most recent set of tweets, threatening to veto the Congressional compromise bill that would provide approx. $900 billion to many Americans most in need, is heartless and wrong. He insistence that the $600 checks to citizens earning less than $75,000 is controversial enough, but fly's in the face of what the majority of Republicans are wiling to do at this time. I believe that Trump's motivation is just a personal message and vendetta to Congressional Republicans, especially Mitch McConnell, who have dared declare that Joe Biden is now our president-elect. I also think that Trump's actions are making the re-election of the two Republican Senators in Georgia, less likely. If Mike Pence had any character, integrity and patriotic honor, he would lead the effort to invoke the Constitution's 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office immediately, so he cannot inflict any further harm on our country....! Of course, that will not happen and we just have to hold our breath to see what a desperate, angry and delusional Donald Trump does in the remaining four weeks before he has to leave office.... God help us all!

AVB-AMG

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by AVB-AMG

We know that Donald Trump is thoroughly unfit to serve as the POTUS, but he is becoming more and more unhinged. His wallowing in his spiteful, vindictiveness is leading him down the proverbial rabbit hole that continues to make a mockery of our country's accepted and tradition political norms, let alone our moral and ethical values. His continued mental state of denial, refusing to publicly accept his defeat in both the popular vote and Electoral College vote, is shameful enough. Now his reported speculative discussions with his few remaining loyal, radically crazy, Looney Toon sycophants/advisors regarding considering declaring Martial Law and/or attempting a doomed-to-fail attempt to prevent Congress from validating the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6, 2021, is truly frightening.

In his latest moves over the past several days, issuing massive quantities of presidential pardons of his friends, extended family members, confidents, loyalists, along with those who have justly been convicted of crimes, let alone those who admitted and plead guilty, is quite astounding in a very negative sense. His pardon actions makes a total mockery of the rule of law since it is a blatant corruption of justice in our society. His most recent set of tweets, threatening to veto the Congressional compromise bill that would provide approx. $900 billion to many Americans most in need, is heartless and wrong. He insistence that the $600 checks to citizens earning less than $75,000 is controversial enough, but fly's in the face of what the majority of Republicans are wiling to do at this time. I believe that Trump's motivation is just a personal message and vendetta to Congressional Republicans, especially Mitch McConnell, who have dared declare that Joe Biden is now our president-elect. I also think that Trump's actions are making the re-election of the two Republican Senators in Georgia, less likely. If Mike Pence had any character, integrity and patriotic honor, he would lead the effort to invoke the Constitution's 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office immediately, so he cannot inflict any further harm on our country....! Of course, that will not happen and we just have to hold our breath to see what a desperate, angry and delusional Donald Trump does in the remaining four weeks before he has to leave office.... God help us all!

AVB-AMG

The only way to counter a narcissist is to deny him a stage to vent his bs. The minute the American people start to see through his bs is the day he withers away in infamy.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

The only way to counter a narcissist is to deny him a stage to vent his bs. The minute the American people start to see through his bs is the day he withers away in infamy.

Exactly. This should be a non issue. It's veto proof so long as no one changes their vote.

Congress needs to just stick to the compromise they reached and ignore him.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

The only way to counter a narcissist is to deny him a stage to vent his bs. The minute the American people start to see through his bs is the day he withers away in infamy.

Typically, trying to deny a narcissist a stage is ineffective as that only increases their need to control and rage. In this age with all the options for communications they can't be blocked.

To effectively deal with a narcissist boundaries must be put in place. While that won't stop them either it protects one from their tactics if they hold the narcissist to those boundaries. If the narcissist crosses those boundaries there must be consequences if it is to be effective. If the narcissist refuses to stay within the boundaries the only option is to remove them from ones life. Unfortunately, this approach of setting boundaries is primarily for one on one relationships. It won't change the narcissist. They will still be as or likely more destructive somewhere else.

In some cases, if a narcissist publicly, in this case to the world, they can become destructive to themselves but that is extremely unusual. Narcissists don't get better, generally they get worse with age. As long a Trump has his followers there will be no boundaries that anyone can set that he won't cross and no consequences.

On the other hand, falling from the most powerful office on the planet potential to being found guilty in the courts of wrongdoing will be unbearable, devastating to him. It acknowledges to the public that he crossed the set boundaries and was punished by not being reelected. He will either become self destructive or find another direction that will result in his believing he is more or at least as powerful as he was as President. I don't think Trump is capable of being self destructive. He will attempt to find a way to be president again and in the meantime act as if he still is.

[crystalworks]

Didn't the bill was pass with a veto proof majority so it could be made law no matter what Trump wants. Or is that not correct?

I know Pelosi and other Dems have come out in support of Trump (gasp) for wanting more money to tax-payers. I think they are taking the opportunity to put Republicans on the spot for not rewriting the bill with more funding. Both sides need to ignore Trump and just enact the damn thing already. They are holding the American public hostage for political gain.

[bcredliner]

Not time enough for a 25th amendment attempt to boot him. $900 billion bill was passed by congress but Trump has not signed or vetoed it. It is in limbo. House will quickly pass an amendment to the bill raising the checks to $2000. Senate has said they won't sign it. I think it is less than 50-50 chance Trump will sign the original bill unless we make it look like he is signing his golf card. I expect we haven't seen near the extent of his rage. The electoral college declaring Biden the winner will take it to a new level and when the supreme court refuses to hear his request to reverse the decision or votes it down it will be yet another boost. Trump is incapable of empathy. There are no limits to his revenge.

[Maruzo]

Heartless bastard. He knew deep in his heart that senate won’t pass the $2,000 check provision. He wants to look good in front of the poor and the needy. It’s all for show.

The current 900 billion compromise is the best we could hope for And that took nearly 9 months to reach.

Trump’s involvement at the last minute is not helping the relief package at all, he’s only creating more conflict and partisanship.

The only thing he’s good at.

[EODguy]

The issue is about the pork shoved in by the Democrats. If anyone here thinks that sending roughly 75% of the $900 bn to foreign countries is a good idea then don't bitch that it's only $600. Trump says make it $2k per person but don't give it to anyone but Americans.

As for the timing of the relief bill you have Nancy Pelosi to thank for waiting (she wouldn't do shit till after the election) and she even said so on tv. We all know that if you were to give every American (citizens only) 330,000,000 $600 that it would total out to $198bn so $702bn is at this moment for other countries and most of that isn't for covid19 relief there...


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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

The issue is about the pork shoved in by the Democrats. If anyone here thinks that sending roughly 75% of the $900 bn to foreign countries is a good idea then don't bitch that it's only $600. Trump says make it $2k per person but don't give it to anyone but Americans.

As for the timing of the relief bill you have Nancy Pelosi to thank for waiting (she wouldn't do shit till after the election) and she even said so on tv. We all know that if you were to give every American (citizens only) 330,000,000 $600 that it would total out to $198bn so $702bn is at this moment for other countries and most of that isn't for covid19 relief there...


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There was some pork in the bill the House approved last March. There is in almost ever bill from both sides. That was not what stalled the vote prior to the election. Simply, the Senate refused to bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate floor or negotiate with the house until it was about a week prior to the deadline. At that point a small bipartisan committee negotiated and agreed on a bill to vote through for the Trump's signature.

That was when Trump said he wanted the amount to citizens making over $75,000 to be 2,000 rather than $600. However, he did not veto the bill that would have given the house and senate the opportunity to overrule the veto.

So now the bill goes back to the bipartisan committee for negotiated revisions and then hopefully for approval by House and Senate and to Trump for approval. If the bill is signed as originally presented to Trump or even revised and signed by Trump, Biden will still request a new bill to provide relief to those still in need.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

There was some pork in the bill the House approved last March. There is in almost ever bill from both sides. That was not what stalled the vote prior to the election. Simply, the Senate refused to bring the bill passed by the House to the Senate floor or negotiate with the house until it was about a week prior to the deadline. At that point a small bipartisan committee negotiated and agreed on a bill to vote through for the Trump's signature.



That was when Trump said he wanted the amount to citizens making over $75,000 to be 2,000 rather than $600. However, he did not veto the bill that would have given the house and senate the opportunity to overrule the veto.



So now the bill goes back to the bipartisan committee for negotiated revisions and then hopefully for approval by House and Senate and to Trump for approval. If the bill is signed as originally presented to Trump or even revised and signed by Trump, Biden will still request a new bill to provide relief to those still in need.

Actually there was a ton of pork in what the Democrats wanted in the 2nd stimulus package and the Republicans were offering more previously but Nancy Pelosi would not negotiate out the pork (think $$ for riot repair, budget shortfalls of some cities, etc.) The after the election she stripped the pork and settled for even less than what was previously offered by Republicans.

When asked what changed she said.... "new president, new vaccine" so the delay was from the House not the Senate.

Pelosi previously encountered criticism for not supporting a moderate Democratic proposal, insisting on a much larger price tag. The current proposal from the Problem Solvers Caucus, a group of 25 Republicans and 25 Democrats working to find bipartisan solutions, is $908 billion, significantly less than the $1.5 trillion proposed before the election. In October, the White House had also proposed a $1.8 trillion package, roughly twice the size of the one Pelosi is now backing.
When asked about her shift on supporting the much smaller package, Pelosi cited "a new president and a vaccine."


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