What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

He signed it already. Yesterday evening I think?

Was traveling all day yesterday so didn't know that. So now it is up to Biden to consider if the $900 billion is what is needed. That's good!

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Was traveling all day yesterday so didn't know that. So now it is up to Biden to consider if the $900 billion is what is needed. That's good!

No worries. Was just clarifying.

Trump deserves a lot of the crap he gets, but allowing some time to pass before losing our cumulative minds... Is probably a good thing. And yes, Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal, etc. But being sounding boards for his craziness, only helps his cause.

All this really has the Reps worried over those last 2 Senate seats as well.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

No worries. Was just clarifying.



Trump deserves a lot of the crap he gets, but allowing some time to pass before losing our cumulative minds... Is probably a good thing. And yes, Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal, etc. But being sounding boards for his craziness, only helps his cause.



All this really has the Reps worried over those last 2 Senate seats as well.

Saying Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal is an opinion and using them to inflame or justify hatred for Trump is why so many people pull back into opposing camps.

CW, an example would be if I was angry at what you have said (even though we've never met, nor talked directly) and said to the others on here that you had done a horrible crime like xxxxx and that's why you said or acted the way you did. That would be my opinion and would have no basis in fact. I do it too although I try not to.
I get that several of the people on here dislike or hate Trump because of what he's said, but it is difficult for me to understand how people can hate someone they have never met, whose policies have helped the United States. I know so many people say "oh, he screwed up the coronavirus response" yet 90% of the things people say should have been done are things that are only in the States power or if we were under a dictatorship.
I truly think that Biden will be bad for America (based on his 39 previous years as a senator) and the plans he has advocated.

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[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Saying Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal is an opinion and using them to inflame or justify hatred for Trump is why so many people pull back into opposing camps.

CW, an example would be if I was angry at what you have said (even though we've never met, nor talked directly) and said to the others on here that you had done a horrible crime like xxxxx and that's why you said or acted the way you did. That would be my opinion and would have no basis in fact. I do it too although I try not to.
I get that several of the people on here dislike or hate Trump because of what he's said, but it is difficult for me to understand how people can hate someone they have never met, whose policies have helped the United States. I know so many people say "oh, he screwed up the coronavirus response" yet 90% of the things people say should have been done are things that are only in the States power or if we were under a dictatorship.
I truly think that Biden will be bad for America (based on his 39 previous years as a senator) and the plans he has advocated.

I think I have made it sound like I hate Trump. I don't. I also wanted him to do well as POTUS (I've said as much before). Rooting against the POTUS is terrible, if he fails, we all fail. My dislike and opinions of Trump have been reinforced during his presidency, not formed by it. Trump is a terrible human being, but I don't hate him, and rooted for him. Being a terrible human being does not make you a bad POTUS. Trump isn't the first one, or the last, Clinton comes to mind. Equally terrible human being who is also a criminal.

Some of Trump's policies have benefited the US, others have not. But that's true of most administrations I'm sure. I've said for awhile CV19 policies are a lose/lose and I agree with you, the governors are primarily to blame here (said this before as well). If they followed Trump's lead instead of doing something that may have benefited their state, it's on them. If they chose party lines vs. logic, place the blame there. I don't want to live in a dictatorship and have federal policy enacted limiting freedoms/rights of the citizenry. Even if it is for "the greater good."

Much like when Trump took office, I am hopeful Biden and Harris do well. My hopes are not high. But, they aren't all that high for any of our elected officials these days. "Professional politician" needs to no longer be a lifetime gig. Long spans in "public service" offices have a proven track record of corrupting individuals.

So, as you said, most of us here on the forums don't know each other in any other sense than typing into the void. I value the opinions here, even if I don't agree with them. I find I am squarely in the middle on the political spectrum as I get older. Conservative on some things, and liberal on others. I can usually get along with both sides of the aisle's constituency provided they aren't totally closed-minded and unwilling to even listen to other positions. Hah, I've had some "interesting" discussions with my Mom who is a staunch Dem party straight ticket voter (terrible thing to vote straight party on any ballot IMO). But we move on and still enjoy each other's visits. Have I lost my temper once or twice on here? I'm sure I have, but at the end of the day we are all Americans. Thank goodness.

[upallnight]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Saying Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal is an opinion and using them to inflame or justify hatred for Trump is why so many people pull back into opposing camps.

CW, an example would be if I was angry at what you have said (even though we've never met, nor talked directly) and said to the others on here that you had done a horrible crime like xxxxx and that's why you said or acted the way you did. That would be my opinion and would have no basis in fact. I do it too although I try not to.
I get that several of the people on here dislike or hate Trump because of what he's said, but it is difficult for me to understand how people can hate someone they have never met, whose policies have helped the United States. I know so many people say "oh, he screwed up the coronavirus response" yet 90% of the things people say should have been done are things that are only in the States power or if we were under a dictatorship.
I truly think that Biden will be bad for America (based on his 39 previous years as a senator) and the plans he has advocated.

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So you think that Obama-Biden bailout of the US auto industry was bad? Mitt Romney and the Republicans were willing to let the auto companies go bankrupt. Bankruptcy would not have only created a high job loss in the auto industries in the states, but autoworkers on pension would have seen their pension reduce from dollars to pennies. Because that is what happens when companies go bankrupt. Debts are settled for pennies on the dollars.

As for the part of hating Trump, it is natural to hate him when he causes so much miseries in the Asian American communities by keeping referring to the virus as the China Virus, Hong Kong Flu, etc. You may not be affected by his rhetoric but my Asian families and friends are affected by his divisive rhetoric. People who are Asians, but are not Chinese were being physically attacked because of the President's rhetoric. Some Americans just assume that if you look Asian you must be Chinese, and the Chinese created the virus although Scientists have already disproved this. FYI the virus that affected New York and the East coast came from Europe, not China.

The only country that ever used a weapon of Mass Destruction was the US, not once but twice. Agent Orange was developed and used against the Vietnamese people as well as American soldiers. Collateral damages weren't the concern of the US government. Napalm bombs were also dropped on the Vietnamese people. Can anyone tell me why we went to fight in Vietnam? Did they attack our country? The reason that we went to war in Vietnam was to stop the spread of communism? The Domino theory of the spread of communism was that if one country fell to the communist other will follow. How is that working out for us? The puppet government set up by the US is no longer in South Vietnam and the country is united again. Vietnam is thriving under communism. You can go to Youtube and read the blogs of Expat that are living in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc.

When the swine flu came out no one blame the American pig farmer or Americans for the virus.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Saying Trump is a serial narcissist, criminal is an opinion and using them to inflame or justify hatred for Trump is why so many people pull back into opposing camps.

CW, an example would be if I was angry at what you have said (even though we've never met, nor talked directly) and said to the others on here that you had done a horrible crime like xxxxx and that's why you said or acted the way you did. That would be my opinion and would have no basis in fact. I do it too although I try not to.
I get that several of the people on here dislike or hate Trump because of what he's said, but it is difficult for me to understand how people can hate someone they have never met, whose policies have helped the United States. I know so many people say "oh, he screwed up the coronavirus response" yet 90% of the things people say should have been done are things that are only in the States power or if we were under a dictatorship.
I truly think that Biden will be bad for America (based on his 39 previous years as a senator) and the plans he has advocated.

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Trump has screwed up so many other things than the pandemic response.


I don't hate Trump. I do believe his is the worst president that I have ever read about or been around to see what good or bad they have done.

It is not necessary to know one firsthand to come to an accurate evaluation. Using the adage that "actions speak louder than words", it should be clear that Trump's words have been his actions and both speak to his despicable character. Are you saying we can't come to a conclusion that Hither and Charles Manson were terrible human beings because we haven't met them?

It doesn't take a dictator to support and promote the wearing of masks. It doesn't take a dictator to support and promote the WHO and CDC guidelines. It doesn't take a dictator to accept the the seriousness of the pandemic. All he had to do was tell the truth and he didn't. Supporting those vital necessities would have significantly lowered both the number infected, hospitalized and deaths.

The hard truth is Trump actions were those of a dictator that is not a part of a democracy. His position is and was--it is as I say it is and if you don't support my stance you will suffer my revenge. His position on the pandemic has been it is no big deal because he didn't want it to hurt the economy and negatively impact job growth that was his success story.

We didn't need a dictator to address the pandemic appropriately. We just needed a leader that listened and responded to the facts instead of trying to sweep COVID 19 under the rug with misinformation and lies.

[motordavid]

becredliner, post # 428: ^ Very cogent commentary, imo.

[EODguy]

I agree CW

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[Quicksilver]

Is Trump is a terrible human being? Yes he is. And yes a terrible human being "does" make you a bad POTUS. From my perspective if you lie as this man has, and If you think only of yourself,
and believe you're above the law as he has clearly demonstrated then i have no respect for the man and I don't need to meet him or be within his space. Jan 20th can't come soon enough.

[ard]

US Capital Stormed....


Well well well.


4 years to drive America into a two bit autocracy.


The Trump apologists that enable todays actions, and Trumpism, you are a disgrace to America.