Yes, but the other side of the country was traced back to China's strain of the virus. The CDC lists China as the originating country. And even the Mt Sinai study that concluded New York's outbreak was primarily European and domestic strains attributes the original outbreak to China.

I don't get the debate. It's been universally agreed that it originated in China. What has not been agreed on is the circumstances of that origination.

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The origin of modern man is from Africa. Do you consider yourself African?

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Maybe the problem is not the name of the disease but the name of the citizens? "Chinese Americans." They are just Americans to me. But so is every other citizen to me. The racists are going to be racist regardless.

Agree with much of the above. Trump/Pence/etc should just let the Fauci, other doctors, epidemiologists, etc handle all the press conferences. Irritates me to no end when Pence holds up "Trump's list of 15 things to do" to stop the spread of the virus. Too bad the democrats are going to nominate someone to lose in November. But that's for another thread.

Yes, complacency was referring to disbanding the pandemic response team among other things.

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If Fauci knew a damn thing about how his "recommendations" were affecting the economy, and therefore human suffering and death due to non-coronavirus causes, this would be a great idea.

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Oh, I agree. Fauci is not an economist. And I made the case for tangential deaths a page or two ago. So I'm with you there. The health experts AND economic experts should talk in the press conferences. Trump isn't an expert on either subject.

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Reputable economists are saying the economy will survive. The caveat is if the virus cannot be reduced to a manageable level. The majority think that even if we are quickly successful in doing so it will be years before economy gets back to the point it was. If we have a second spike due to poor opening plans or too many individuals decide the guidelines don't apply to them it could then be catastrophic but not to the point that recovery is not possible.

If one is not part of the solution they are part of the problem and they are contributing to greatly increasing the risk the financial impact to each of us and the country. If we screw up the opening of the economy we will be back to closing up America and sheltered in place. If some of anecdotal opinions here represent a significant representation of the country, start preparing your chapter 13 paperwork.

Public corporations and large companies are well into plans to eliminate jobs or replace them with automation. Their goal will be to do whatever possible not to invest in larger facilities to comply with even short term guidelines. Part of the longterm planning will be an assumption that some, especially social distancing will stay in place which further justifies investments in automation even in these troubled times. They have to focus on reducing the cost of material, labor and burden. They are preparing a near and longterm list of people and jobs to be eliminated. In many cases their bottom line is already in the crapper for this year. interest rates are as low as they every will be. So there will be great urgency to adjust as quickly as possible. Following the lowest labor rate on the planet will be even more important.They have to get back to prior shareholder value and find ways to increase it. Senior management jobs, bonuses and perks depend on getting it done very quickly.

Small businesses, far less financially stable, will also be eliminating jobs because their customer base will be smaller and/or they won't have the space to serve them. The horse is already out of the barn and if we do not contribute to the guidelines many of us that won't have a horse or barn.

The public is the biggest contributor to the successful opening of the economy. Do your part!

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Are you serious ? I swear that Liberalism has turned into a fully blown mental illness. Just because orange man says something, does not mean racists. The clear background behind your opinion is that Donald Trump called this virus the 'Chinese Virus' because it originated in Wuhan, China. And because trump said it, that's racist.

If so / then

Why are you not protesting against the name 'spanish flu' as racist ? Why do you have to virtue signal and call racism when things clearly aren't racist, does it make you feel better about yourself ? Im just genuinely curious of your thought process.

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My comments have nothing to do with anyone's political point of view. I respect you opinion and I would suggest you have more respect for mine.

I don't know if the naming it the Spanish flu escalated racism or not. It is immaterial. It was over a century ago, different time different circumstances. BMW didn't exist, no mass media, before second world war. Not applicable

On another note, I think the information to the public should be lead by the experts. When politicians are involved the experts have to become politically sensitive and we don't get straight yes or no answers. There is a spin put on information that causes confusion and more fear than if we got just the facts.

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Well said. We need leadership but I don't think the president should contradict his health and safety expert for no good reason.

He's done so many incompetent things lately, and completely lost his shit with the pandemic.

I worry for America. More for having this president, less than having the virus outbreak.

We can beat this thing, but hiring the wrong man to lead the country? That's gonna do far more damage to this great nation.

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