RE: X5 Unrelated, but Good Information in Times of Need - Page 51

EODguy · #1 05-21-2020, 11:53 AM

Stats on coronavirus, NY and CA

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Maruzo · #2 05-21-2020, 12:47 PM

Number of new cases going down on both states

andrewwynn · #3 05-21-2020, 01:01 PM

So this is an interesting note about the efficacy of the flu vaccine; it's terrible. It would have to improve quite a bit to become terrible.

With any luck any vaccine they come up with for cv19 will hopefully not be so nearly useless as the flu vaccine but I would not hold my breath.

The thing that bothers me the most about the flu vaccine is that its pushed so hard each year and people are shamed into taking it and get a false sense of security. Most years it's at best 30% effective some years almost useless (you can tell.which years because there will be a lot more hospitalizations those years).

I'm quite concerned about the prospect of a "holy Grail" cure. "what good is triple time if six months later you dick falls off".

@eod. What I noticed from the data is that at the worst the hospitalization rate like 5/100k and to no surprise the "one foot in grave" demographic is 8x the average but also as I pointed out the hospitalizations have petered off to almost background noise. 2/100,000 and that was 1-1/2 weeks ago no current rates.

Why is "hospitals nearly devoid of any patients at all much less cv19" isn't on a constant chyron can only be political and infuriates me. I shouldn't have to spend hours doing the job of what used to be journalists. As the well known song describes the concept of what used to be news is now dirty laundry. "if it bleeds it leads" legacy media doesn't care even the remotist little bit about the health and well-being of anybody. They are driven by the buck and scary stories sell. So the channels leap frog each other into mass hysteria and we'll here we are. CV 19 is mostly mass hysteria founded in facts by the real tragedies that do happen see Happy's post above but does a couple months of 10-15% higher death rate warrant setting back the USA a decade and $6-7 thousand billion dollars?

Of course not and when we have perfect clarity of past it's easy to say this but cv19 peaked mid April and it's over a month since then it's time to pull out the slide rules and look at some zip code statistics and determine where there is virtually no risk of cv and drop the masks literally.

I would give my mask to a high risk zone once I know mine isn't. We are intentionally kept in the dark (like mushrooms fed shit and kept in the dark). *people know* by zip code where is the risk they *could share it * for political and PC reasons they choose not to and 1000s did and 1000s more will die needlessly because of that moronic decision.

If the CDC simply made a shaded map by zip (county is pointless), people would know where they could safely go to a park, a movie, a restaurant. But they way this was horrible mangoed now 1000s of restaurants will be bankrupted, the ones to survive will have to greatly raise prices because they will only be able to host half the patrons. It's a disaster.

So: wash your hands logically (over washing is unhealthy you need some germs to exercise your immune system), wear a mask when it's logical. (not driving in your car for Christ sake), and give people a little bit of leniency. De-escalate don't escalate.

Peace.

Maruzo · #4 05-21-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

So this is an interesting note about the efficacy of the flu vaccine; it's terrible. It would have to improve quite a bit to become terrible.

With any luck any vaccine they come up with for cv19 will hopefully not be so nearly useless as the flu vaccine but I would not hold my breath.

The thing that bothers me the most about the flu vaccine is that its pushed so hard each year and people are shamed into taking it and get a false sense of security. Most years it's at best 30% effective some years almost useless (you can tell.which years because there will be a lot more hospitalizations those years).

I'm quite concerned about the prospect of a "holy Grail" cure. "what good is triple time if six months later you dick falls off".

@eod. What I noticed from the data is that at the worst the hospitalization rate like 5/100k and to no surprise the "one foot in grave" demographic is 8x the average but also as I pointed out the hospitalizations have petered off to almost background noise. 2/100,000 and that was 1-1/2 weeks ago no current rates.

Why is "hospitals nearly devoid of any patients at all much less cv19" isn't on a constant chyron can only be political and infuriates me. I shouldn't have to spend hours doing the job of what used to be journalists. As the well known song describes the concept of what used to be news is now dirty laundry. "if it bleeds it leads" legacy media doesn't care even the remotist little bit about the health and well-being of anybody. They are driven by the buck and scary stories sell. So the channels leap frog each other into mass hysteria and we'll here we are. CV 19 is mostly mass hysteria founded in facts by the real tragedies that do happen see Happy's post above but does a couple months of 10-15% higher death rate warrant setting back the USA a decade and $6-7 thousand billion dollars?

Of course not and when we have perfect clarity of past it's easy to say this but cv19 peaked mid April and it's over a month since then it's time to pull out the slide rules and look at some zip code statistics and determine where there is virtually no risk of cv and drop the masks literally.

I would give my mask to a high risk zone once I know mine isn't. We are intentionally kept in the dark (like mushrooms fed shit and kept in the dark). *people know* by zip code where is the risk they *could share it * for political and PC reasons they choose not to and 1000s did and 1000s more will die needlessly because of that moronic decision.

If the CDC simply made a shaded map by zip (county is pointless), people would know where they could safely go to a park, a movie, a restaurant. But they way this was horrible mangoed now 1000s of restaurants will be bankrupted, the ones to survive will have to greatly raise prices because they will only be able to host half the patrons. It's a disaster.

So: wash your hands logically (over washing is unhealthy you need some germs to exercise your immune system), wear a mask when it's logical. (not driving in your car for Christ sake), and give people a little bit of leniency. De-escalate don't escalate.

Peace.

You are not wrong for the most part, andrew. But I think you need to consider the fact that America, as a country, has enjoyed prosperity and freedom for far too long without any threat of immediate harm on the back of their mind, for a very very long time. 911 being the obvious exception.

If you look at democratic countries like Germany, Korea, Taiwan, you can see that these countries acted much quicker to socially distance compared with the US.

We've been free to go about our ways for far too long without having to face any consequences, so when it came time to follow the social distance guidelines, most of us balked at it at first.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...8-e2188d0f4fc3

This study is done by University of Colombia. They calculate that if we as a country had acted 2 weeks earlier to start social distancing, the number of death due to covid-19 could have been reduced as much as 54,000.

There's an old saying, fixing the fence after the sheep had been lost.

That's what we're basically doing, playing catch up, while many of the countries who's had the sense of urgency all their lives (think germany after WWII, Korea after the Korean War), acted very quickly, freedom be damned, let's do what is necessary to slow down the virus spread first.

Just my 2 cents.

crystalworks · #5 05-21-2020, 02:11 PM

When all this is over... I think we'll realize how bad it is, though human nature obviously, to compare the giant, low population density, US with other countries in terms of reaction. Certain areas of the US should have taken measures like those countries for sure. But the vast majority of the country remains largely unaffected by CV19, as Andrew's data points out. But the same low impact can not be said economically.

Thank you Andrew for taking the time to compile data that is not given by the people who should be doing so. I've long given up watching MSM for anything but horror stories and partisan politics.

Maruzo · #6 05-21-2020, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalworks

When all this is over... I think we'll realize how bad it is, though human nature obviously, to compare the giant, low population density, US with other countries in terms of reaction. Certain areas of the US should have taken measures like those countries for sure. But the vast majority of the country remains largely unaffected by CV19, as Andrew's data points out. But the same low impact can not be said economically.

Thank you Andrew for taking the time to compile data that is not given by the people who should be doing so. I've long given up watching MSM for anything but horror stories and partisan politics.

NPR has some good podcasts from time to time. They present studies done by reputable experts on wide ranging subjects.

New York Times The Daily and NPR's Up First are worth a listen to.

crystalworks · #7 05-21-2020, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maruzo

NPR has some good podcasts from time to time. They present studies done by reputable experts on wide ranging subjects.

New York Times The Daily and NPR's Up First are worth a listen to.

Agreed. NPR does have some good stuff and is worth a listen. They do also have some of the partisan commenters/guests, which I suppose is inescapable, but still world's better than MSM.

andrewwynn · #8 05-21-2020, 04:43 PM

There is so much conflicting data from the CDC and now with the mystery of why did they stop updating the hospitalisations.

The truth will set you free! Put up the raw data and maybe a ¶ or two to help interpret it but don't just stop posting the data when it stops helping some agenda. The best example was when Google trends stopped posting weekly updates of the 2016 election about a month before the election when things started to break for trump. How does that make any sense?

If the truth is more and more people were doing searches that indicates a break toward trump they should have kept posting the weekly updates so people would be aware and could vote informed vs blind. That one backfired pretty bad. Why people that pretend to be news actively taint the data is beyond me.

So now, when there is significant data that we need to develop plans for reopening when and where, the CDC steps showing the data WTF!?!

Why will they never learn. People can handle the truth but hiding the truth will always always backfire.

andrewwynn · #9 05-21-2020, 06:31 PM

Yep and as “they” suggest that high risk people get the shot but the heathy don't really need to, but in a recent biased non news suggested it's terrible that only 30/40% of America get the flu shot, but that's actually probably just about right.

I think that once in a while these things have to happen to kick humanity in the butt so we can learn some humility. We think we are "all that" then this happens and we are put in our place.

I think that's the basic idea behind the "this sort of thing has to happen occasionally" above.

Over the course of human history there have been numerous world wide resets and this one will go down in history in the top ten maybe?

Recall my comments about pointless to stoke the fire of hate. Trying to pin the blame on people in the administration or CDC etc is pointless and most likely just ad homonym attacks.

Trying to pull the race card because somebody refers to the Wuhan virus as such likewise is complete falsehood. Viruses have typically been named after the location where they were discovered eg Ebola. It wasn't Frank Ebola that discovered it. It is named after the area where it was found there is no good reason the cv19 virus should be called anything other than the Wuhan virus it's not racist or derogatory it's simple factual. It's also ok to call It sars-cov-2 but it was pure politics and obfuscation as the motivation of not using the proper name convention.

Also, far as I'm concerned I "take it back" there is a who to blame. The literal WHO. They absolutely lied for weeks and weeks. Without their absolute disregard for truth and facts the entire pandemic could have been contained, they should not get another red cent from USA. A different yet honest organization that isn't wrapped around China's pinky finger can replace them the have officially run their useful course and do not deserve a second or third chance.

crystalworks · #10 05-21-2020, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andrewwynn

Yep and as “they” suggest that high risk people get the shot but the heathy don't really need to, but in a recent biased non news suggested it's terrible that only 30/40% of America get the flu shot, but that's actually probably just about right.

I think that once in a while these things have to happen to kick humanity in the butt so we can learn some humility. We think we are "all that" then this happens and we are put in our place.

I think that's the basic idea behind the "this sort of thing has to happen occasionally" above.

Over the course of human history there have been numerous world wide resets and this one will go down in history in the top ten maybe?

Recall my comments about pointless to stoke the fire of hate. Trying to pin the blame on people in the administration or CDC etc is pointless and most likely just ad homonym attacks.

Trying to pull the race card because somebody refers to the Wuhan virus as such likewise is complete falsehood. Viruses have typically been named after the location where they were discovered eg Ebola. It wasn't Frank Ebola that discovered it. It is named after the area where it was found there is no good reason the cv19 virus should be called anything other than the Wuhan virus it's not racist or derogatory it's simple factual. It's also ok to call It sars-cov-2 but it was pure politics and obfuscation as the motivation of not using the proper name convention.

Also, far as I'm concerned I "take it back" there is a who to blame. The literal WHO. They absolutely lied for weeks and weeks. Without their absolute disregard for truth and facts the entire pandemic could have been contained, they should not get another red cent from USA. A different yet honest organization that isn't wrapped around China's pinky finger can replace them the have officially run their useful course and do not deserve a second or third chance.