Originally Posted by EODguy

Well he golfed during the impeachment too, of course that was also during the start of the coronavirus remember that one? Back when many people of the news and several senior Democrats said not to worry about coronavirus....

But as I said he was (for him) at home where it's basically his backyard and unless you think every other president worked 24 hours a day 7 days a week, then you shouldn't have an issue with that..

It's ok if you don't recall it since there has been so much going on.

As for the "nasty" question jab, I find it disingenuous that a reporter would ask a question and then take Trump's reply personally solely based on the fact that she was Asian. If the question was asked by an African nobody would be butthurt. This shows that when when people look for a reason to piss and moan then those people will take anything even innocuous things as a reason to piss and moan.



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Originally Posted by crystalworks

Annnnnd the cycle of division continues, just the way the parties like it. That way the electorate argues amongst themselves and is diverted from examining the faults of either party. Just back and forth.

All politicians lie. All politicians over promise. There is no such thing as a poor politician (or even middle class) once they hit the Federal level. Once Citizen's United became a thing it got worse, and it will continue to get worse the more financial influence can be exerted on our law makers. Our republic has outlasted any before it but we might be starting to see the end with corruption in politics, over spending, and an ever more disinterested and disenfranchised electorate.

Obama sucked. Trump sucks. GWB sucked. And the cycle will continue. I won't have respect for any President until they work to get rid of CU, revamp the campaign/election process, address the disfunction in Congress, and start using anti-trust law. But that won't happen...

/Rant

Originally Posted by upallnight

I came on this forum when I bought my X5, but stay on this forum after I sold my X for the camaraderie.

Originally Posted by EODguy

Wow....

Not one thought spared as to WHY he pled guilty (FBI threats to go after his family) and not even a raised eyebrow over the agents own words... (goal? investigate or get him to lie?) and how even 1 of the 2 interviewing agents said Flynn wasn't trying to lie but couldn't remember all of the details but he was overruled by the other interviewer Peter Strzok and that it was intentional...
There are very few rules of interrogation. As an example you can lie to the suspect, try to trap them in a lie, mislead them about how much or little you know about the potential crime. Flynn had been mirandized so if he didn't already know it was explained he didn't have to say a word and his attorney could be present. If one unintentionally breaks the law they still broke the law.

I admit it's an opinion piece but HOW disingenuous can you be to completely ignore the facts that were stated to include what's above and just say it's opinion so it means nothing. Disingenuous? Not nice. didn't ignore your post. I just pointed out his opinion is not factual,

I would also remind folks that Judge Sullivan was made comments in this case before showing that he was not being impartial to Flynn in court previously and apologized for it. It really doesn't matter what the judge said since Flynn and his attorney confessed to the crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/u...entencing.html


A similar example would be:

Police think that you committed a crime but aren't sure what. During the investigation they don't find anything one way or the other and come talk to you and ask, "Did you drive over the speed limit 27 days ago or was it 25 days ago?" You not knowing they found a tape of you speeding 29 days ago and thinking I did speed but probably not more than 5-7mph say " I was speeding a little but it was 25 days ago."

Congratulations! You have committed what is known as a process crime if speaking to a federal agent or a police officer doing any kind of investigation.

Now they (investigators) say we are using this process "crime" to expand our investigation and we are going to be using similar methods as we have a talk with your family.... Unless, you admit that gave us the wrong information...

You suck it up and say yep I told you the wrong information (thereby meeting their agreement) protecting your family and then you hire lawyers to get the court to see that what really happened wasn't some intentional attempt to cover up speeding and once the truth came out due to notes from the investigators directly that you didn't do it intentionally and they had no reason to even begin their investigation you withdrawal your plea and the investigators bosses back it up saying it was shady AF. But now the judge says he wants you charged for your coerced plea being "perjury"....

Yeah, that seems totally legit!!

https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-l...the-venom-out/

As was pointed out for the past few years "we must trust the system and the investigators" but apparently only if they are on the side someone is supporting or else it's all BS, yet when investigators and the system say that there were mistakes made it's now "BS" to trust the system or the investigators are doing... Hello hypocrites!!

Every American should understand that one miscarriage of justice used against someone who you dislike, hate or disagree with just means that when the worm turns it will be your turn. My comments have nothing to do with politics. I don't like or dislike Flynn. Just posting the facts.

We've seen that happen before and it ONLY cost an estimated 85 million lives.....

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. ~ Martin Niemöller

Niemöller’s belief was that Germans had been complicit through their silence in the Nazi imprisonment, persecution, and murder of millions of people and he spent the last 7 years of the war in a nazi concentration camp for finally standing up against the nazi's.

People that want a society where they support shit like this due to someone being part of an opposing group should be called out for it, because they are no better than nazi's, klansmen or supporters of the pogroms that happened worldwide and that they would even keep up support for such tells you that this can only end in bloodshed if it continues.

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Originally Posted by Happy

It’s funny how people have been running around acting like they know what’s going on, when there hasn’t even been an independent investigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-b...183353045.html

This person said it best!

"The scientists claim they were "surprised" to find the virus was "already pre-adapted to human transmission” . . . That's because it likely came from the Wuhan lab . . . The media has misrepresented the idea that the virus wasn't "genetically modified" to try to imply that the virus didn't come from the lab . . . What scientists mean by "genetically modified" is very narrow - they mean that human gene editing would leave markers they could see, and those aren't present . . . But, at the Wuhan lab, scientists were often tasked with combining two viruses into "chimeras" to make them more capable of infecting human cells, in order to study them in the lab . . . These "chimera" viruses - often versions of coronaviruses taken from bats, would then be grown in human cells in the lab as they evolved and adapted . . . The Wuhan lab was known to do this exact type of dangerous work with SARS and MERS and other deadly-to-humans coronaviruses - often trying to make them more contagious so that they could be studied in human cells more easily . . . And, of course, to give China a scientific edge on research - as well as a military edge in the event any of the "chimera" viruses could be adapted for use as a bio-weapon . . . The Wuhan lab was known to have lax safety measures and to be taking risks that would never be allowed in labs in the West - there are multiple reports about this . . . What is seen in the "novel" coronavirus is EXACTLY what would be expected if the Wuhan lab had experimented with a "chimera" coronavirus and accidentally made it contagious enough to humans that it infected lab workers, who then went to the nearby "wet market" - and the rest of the story we know . . . The evidence is also consistent with China DELIBERATELY releasing the virus to gain a geopolitical edge, disrupt the landscape of the ongoing trade war, gain political cover to crack-down on Hong Kong and Taiwan, etc. . . . . The only nation to have benefited from the pandemic is that nation that started it: China . . .

Originally Posted by upallnight

Getting back on Subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBO1COLB_g

Originally Posted by upallnight

Getting back on Subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBBO1COLB_g

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Originally Posted by Overboost

Watching that unhinged Guido spitting and slobbering all over himself makes me wonder WTF you guys actually believe. LOL