It's not an argument yet but yes, it I don't know why it matters.

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I know that to the uninformed public they interchange them at if synonymous. They are not. It’s like calling an X5 “the BMW “ and expecting all people to just know that they mean x5.

Model = sars-cov-2
Make= coronavirus

Ill informed people is a significant thorn in my side.

here is another car based analogy:

A screw is a bad thing that can kill a tire. A hole is the problem the tire has.

Calling the screw and the hole the same thing is exactly what calling the virus covid-19 is.

It’s horribly imprecise and inaccurate.

I don’t care what name is used but don’t use the same wrong one for everything. Yes it is important especially because there is a tremendous amount of inaccurate data in the USA tracking of cv-19, throwing out considerable confusion to everybody seems to be CDCs primary goal this time around (was not the case with sars-cov-1 (in 2003 they of course didn’t have the 1)

The more fuzzy the truth the less accurate people are informed the more people will just act like lemmings and stop thinking. So yes, it’s important.



Here is a fantastic example of cherry picked data and I blame primarily the CDC.

That chart is the daily death rate from cv-19 in 42 countries. There is no possible way that honest data will produce only ONE country who’s tail end of an epidemic does not follow *every virus ever*.

It’s basically and “open and shut case” that somebody for some reason wants to extend how long the epidemic (using the word vs pandemic to include only USA) lasts.

Now, it is slightly possible that the stay at home and social distancing and the masks actually are harmful as the CDC said back in January. I know for certain wearing the mask is detrimental to my health and immune system. It might reduce the chance I catch the thing by 1/3 but greatly increases the odds I get more sick if the germ still gets me.

We need to drop the masks as soon as possible. 100s of millions of people are depressing their immune systems with the masks and stay at home.

It’s very simple common sense and logic: everybody knows that the foundation of a healthy body and healthy immune system is activity!

Most people know that small exposure to germs is how we exercise our immune system. I highly doubt the current theory of asymptotic cv-19 is accurate (went through a course of sickness and just didn’t realize it). What is ∞ more likely is that they were exposed to it but because their body has been in the sun has plenty of vitamin D, oops “vitamin D” (hope somebody gets that), young enough to have a high zinc level in their blood, they body says FU CV and took it out.

This is virus 101. Many many more people are exposed to the flu virus and “magically” don’t get sick.

There are cv-19 studies going on right now that will show some concepts similar to this be true.

I really hope “they” don’t find a vaccine but solid effective treatment unless it’s like polio where the vaccine tricks the body to build antibodies and blocks the virus from taking root.

You (the reader) and every single (and I suppose married) person on earth hopes I am correct in predicting that this sars virus will burg itself out like the last one.

sars “the prequel “ didn’t kick us in the nuts hard enough to be taken seriously and hopefully “they” will learn enough from “sars the sequel” that we can get on top of sars “Armageddon “ boxed set. Prophecy indicates cv19 is a drop of water to an ocean of what will eventually happen. and It’s not CDC that predicted it.

All signs are and have been pointing to me being correct since feb or March that “how it happens in the countries that for it first” expect similar here.

USA other than the people on average being a shit ton more arrogant than most of the world (a couple European nations give us a run for our money), are no different; race is a made up notion they are not significantly different from a generic makeup and will almost certainly be very similar in the end run of how the virus waxes and wanes.

I said In January and holds true today. Covid 19 as a phenomenon is *mostky hyoe* yes you heard me correctly.

Yes it’s real, yes it’s tragic, no it could not be avoided and if anybody tells you a NET single human life was saved by masks or house arrest they pulled that concept out of there ass, there is ZERO facts to back that up. (Just as there are zero facts to back up the opposite argument).

I would have taken the not spend $6T on not much more than a guess as to which route to take.

China was already getting cv very much under control as an example of hitting peak and recovering before we over reacted and killed the worlds economy and 1/4 of everybody’s jobs.

The silver lining is this:

Cv will not kill the American spirit even as it kills 30x as many as 911, we need our asses kicked every couple of decades to put us in our place.

https://youtu.be/uwofPtA2ito

“I could use a good ass kicking”

Back to silver lining:

As bad as cv is, not only will we survive we will be much stronger because of it.

A lot of mission critical products that we exclusively get from a single source we can’t trust will be diversified so when sars-cv-3 comes to kick our ass we won’t be caught bent over with a sign over our “permanent smile” saying “insert here”.

In addition China will not recover as quickly as the USA in large part do to the fact that they have the most to lose since they have the majority of the companies that will split up to other countries.

China was set to overtake USA GDP within the next five years. That may have just been punted 15-20 years down the road because the USA will recovers more quickly than China absolutely.

Back to @bc: consider how meticulous you are with your car maintenance: how much smoother do things operate because you know what a ft·lb is and the importance of having the right fluid in the right place and proper procedure for doing maintenance.

Considering that literally life is a stake not just a motor I’m surprised you think it’s only important that scientists care about the importance of using descriptive terms when discussing probably the most important topic in our lifetime.

Back to the “who said it first” until WHI got their marching orders from China to come up with a non Wuhan name CHINA’s state run media used numerous variations such as “Wuhan pneumonia” and “Wuhan viral pneumonia epidemic” (Jan 9 )

It wasn’t into the end of January and after China had literally trained the rest of the world to use those terms (and they all did), did China finally realize “oops that might make us look bad” and the CCP did what they do best sell the world their cheap BS.

Jan 29 some Chinese media started to report that including Wuhan was racist (same outlet of course that had been doing it for 4 weeks).

In mid February, opinion columns in China asked for western outlets to stop using the phrases Chinese virus and Wuhan virus.

Funny that 6 feb condemned western media for using the term Wuhan virus but on 17 February published a story saying “Chinese netizens fear japan would repeat Wuhan virus mistake at early stage”.

It was WHO that came up with the names of the virus and the disease.

They quickly also told people to not refer to the virus by name so now we know. What idiots. Name the virus then say but don’t use the name just infer it. That’s asinine.

On China’s marching orders AP guidelines say drop any mention of origin of the virus. Well since 6B people know the origin, no possible way to look more guilty than run from a crime. They threw atomized gas in the fire! They brought on the stigma themselves by trying to bury it. If they just were honest the simmer of annoyance would not have turned into a rolling boil of hate.

There may definitely be a genetic link to resistance.

China was very minimally hit by cv19.

As horrifying as it was to witness they stamped that shit out hard but they are a true police state nation and put 100+ million on real house arrest for 70 or so days.

In the USA we thought that’s our cushy sorta quarantine would be “just as good “ ask the 66% of cv hospitalizations coming from self quarantine in nyc how’s that working out for you?

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It won’t become one. It’s ok to have the opinion that I’m nuts for caring. Clearly from layperson understanding “they” have decided to use a few inaccurate names some of which mean sort of the opposite but to the general public they are equally concerned about the virus and the disease they don’t care to know the distinction.

My my contention is that fact is driving much of the anxiety and if people will learn the difference they will be able to lower their stress and anxiety. AIDS is worse than HIV; covid-19 is worse than sars-cob-2. Simple facts like this can help end the full stop on life as we know it.

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I don't think you are nuts.

I still don't understand. Why should the virus be called sars-cob-c to reduce the anxiety when the CDC named it Covid-19 and has always referred to it as such from the very beginning. Personally, I didn't care what the proper name was or would have known if it was named correctly or not. Only thing I wanted to know is the symptoms, what is the risk, and how do I mitigate the risk. Even if they named it " Don't Worry" I judged the risk by what the virus was doing in Washington state, California and New York.

My guess is that the much of anxiety many are feeling is from the mixed messages from other scientists not a part of the CDC, the mixed messages that stem from what Trump and some governors say and that of the CDC.

'm very disappointed in the CDC because they don't take a definitive stand. I think part of the reason is they would lose their job or be discredited. So it is better to have a chance to be before the public on TV than not have that platform so they water down their point of view.

In addition, depending on where one goes to find the truth, they will find one support for their opinions at either end of the spectrum.. For example, whether you think CNN and and Fox news are fake news or not Fox news is in alignment with the President and CNN is aligned with the CDC. There is so much conflicting information that one can find whatever they need to support their opinion and/or their political beliefs.

Finally, the CDC changes what they have been saying as more is learned so we get new information that causes doubt because it conflicts with previous statements. We are left to decide it the information was right then or now, right both times, and what else might change in the future. What is known or unknown especially in the future is a great source for anxiety, frustration, anger and doubt that anyone knows what they are talking about.

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The virus was and is called SARS-Cov-2, that's just fact. The reason to call it SARS-Cov-2, it that is its name. Calling it something else would be likened to deciding to call somebody Jim who's name is Bob, and then being corrected by Bob to his actual name but saying to Bob; nah I like Jim better and if get enough people to do it, then your name effectively is now Jim.

That's exactly what is going on when somebody calls the virus COVID-19 vs SARS-Cov-2.

Coronaviridae Study Group is what I'm finding for the entity responsible for naming it.

CDC is not involved with naming it. The same day (11 Feb), that CSG named the virus the WHO named the disease caused by the virus: COVID-19)

Because "Asia"* insisted nobody uses the actual virus name to avoid freaking out people affected by SARS-Cov-1, lead to this confusion that the virus and the disease are the same name.

* I don't know which entities were involved in course correction on the use of the official name, they should have but didn't suggest an alternative.

Before 11 Feb, the virus had a nickname: 2019-nCoV. That was the official moniker for the virus and back as early as the first week of January, most entities used some variation of wuhan virus or novel corona virus. Do a search on old news feeds from January from any legacy media I found ten different references in 2 minutes.

To avoid using the non PC term I programed in a keyboard shortcut:



Now if I inadvertently attempt to type wuhan virus I will get an auto correct to SARS-Cov-2 .

I've not been trying to convince people it's totally fine to use the term that some people find offensive, I'm saying there is no reason to be offended. You feel how you feel though and I have no reason to use the nickname since noise I have a shortcut to type SARS-Cov-2.

Most "news" entities use the term coronavirus and usually in the correct context. I'm not "fine" with that but it's taken root and there is no way to change it now

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Without tone and intonation It's *really* hard to judge if somebody is just busting somebody's balls as a friend teasing another friend. Good example i can't share the exact details, but one of my xo buddies sent me a super amazingly raunchy joke, so i made that his nickname on my phone so now when he calls I see 'holy shit did somebody really say that' (paraphrasing because i can't share in mixed company (or with anybody not the 'new nickname' person).

Reading the post above, It leans in Maruzo's favor and the your highness though seemingly a mean spirited jab that had no point in a letter of supposed apology; if you use sarcasm in an apology it's no apology, however, 'in M's mind', he said sorry, but in Happy's mind He just saw sarcasm and it's a lose-lose. A proper apology goes something like "yup your right i was bing a dipshit, sorry about that".

My take is that M was 'being a smartass' (always better than a dumbass), and was basically saying 'you're mama'. Kid humor just meant to get a rise out of somebody (again not appropriate in a mia culpa).

Don't try to ad humor to an apology it's a common defense mechanism but it usually negates the apology. (with the exception exampled above where the humor is self-deprocating (i can't spell that word; not even close enough to warrant a suggested replacement ).

If i say something that sounds 'super harsh' I'm 'busting your balls' If i deem somebody a worthy sparing partner, I can do the verbal beat-down like a pro. I have lines that wold make anthony jeselnik blush. Even in cases where i've cut lose a soon to be ex-friend, I'll be using facts to back my words not pointless insults.

The reason that dialog 'goes to M' is that rather than a 'wtf, that's not nice', Happy doubled down and spit back in the face of M vs. 'nice try but how bout a simple 'sorry pal no harm intended i was just being a smartass trying to be funny'.

Like i've said 2-3 times above; 'families fight' it's no big deal, call it a draw and learn from the past so you can 'read the room' and insult yourself once in a while because you know deep inside you deserve it, it's great for your humility. Try to 'double down' on an insult that somebody throws at you, and show them they suck at put-downs.

Back on topic:

George Carlin said an amazing thing about humanity and screwing up the earth's climate…

'the earth doesn't givashit about humans; it was here long before humans it will be here long after humans'… 'earth thinks of humans as a bad rash, and will be so happy when he's cured'. "mother nature" sends out some 'scrubbing bubbles' once in a while to de-funk like us taking a shower; sometimes it's just a light rinse, sometimes it's a silk wood scrub down. cv19 will end up being a pretty significant 'blip' in the annals of history but *nothing* compared to the plagues of yesteryear.

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Without tone and intonation It's *really* hard to judge if somebody is just busting somebody's balls as a friend teasing another friend. Good example i can't share the exact details, but one of my xo buddies sent me a super amazingly raunchy joke, so i made that his nickname on my phone so now when he calls I see 'holy shit did somebody really say that' (paraphrasing because i can't share in mixed company (or with anybody not the 'new nickname' person).

Reading the post above, It leans in Maruzo's favor and the your highness though seemingly a mean spirited jab that had no point in a letter of supposed apology; if you use sarcasm in an apology it's no apology, however, 'in M's mind', he said sorry, but in Happy's mind He just saw sarcasm and it's a lose-lose. A proper apology goes something like "yup your right i was bing a dipshit, sorry about that".

My take is that M was 'being a smartass' (always better than a dumbass), and was basically saying 'you're mama'. Kid humor just meant to get a rise out of somebody (again not appropriate in a mia culpa).

Don't try to ad humor to an apology it's a common defense mechanism but it usually negates the apology. (with the exception exampled above where the humor is self-deprocating (i can't spell that word; not even close enough to warrant a suggested replacement ).

If i say something that sounds 'super harsh' I'm 'busting your balls' If i deem somebody a worthy sparing partner, I can do the verbal beat-down like a pro. I have lines that wold make anthony jeselnik blush. Even in cases where i've cut lose a soon to be ex-friend, I'll be using facts to back my words not pointless insults.

The reason that dialog 'goes to M' is that rather than a 'wtf, that's not nice', Happy doubled down and spit back in the face of M vs. 'nice try but how bout a simple 'sorry pal no harm intended i was just being a smartass trying to be funny'.

Like i've said 2-3 times above; 'families fight' it's no big deal, call it a draw and learn from the past so you can 'read the room' and insult yourself once in a while because you know deep inside you deserve it, it's great for your humility. Try to 'double down' on an insult that somebody throws at you, and show them they suck at put-downs.

Back on topic:

George Carlin said an amazing thing about humanity and screwing up the earth's climate…

'the earth doesn't givashit about humans; it was here long before humans it will be here long after humans'… 'earth thinks of humans as a bad rash, and will be so happy when he's cured'. "mother nature" sends out some 'scrubbing bubbles' once in a while to de-funk like us taking a shower; sometimes it's just a light rinse, sometimes it's a silk wood scrub down. cv19 will end up being a pretty significant 'blip' in the annals of history but *nothing* compared to the plagues of yesteryear.

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Point taken about the apology, I'll try to remember that next time.

Although I wasn't trying to apologize on my first reply to Happy. I just wanted the conversation to steer back to cv instead of the endless bickering it was spiraling towards.

As for George Carlin, I like his stuff. Listened to most of his shows a few years back.

Most of what he said are still poignant in today's world.

The parts about the politically correct terms and how the kids are raised now a days were pretty dead-on.

The airline bit was hilarious. I remember laughing myself silly.

Good times!

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This was after your fake apology. You never apologized. I was not hurt, just annoyed at how hypocritical people are at times. So by the time you start making additional condescending remarks, just shows more about your character.

Then about my nickname. I had already expressed to you that, I was not interested in communicating with you. But yet you continued to push, “anything at all”!?.

Yet you post here telling other members how to behave, when your in no position to do so. Maybe you need to take your own advice.

Again, YOU NEVER APOLOGIZED! You used the word “sorry” in a, “sorry, to bad for you” context. Again, CONDESCENDING.

So tell me, how do you steer the conversation back to the virus when you are a part of the very problem you are complaining about.

It did not end with your fake apology. Then came the “highness” remark, and then my name.

Again, you post here telling other members how to behave, when your in no position to do so. Maybe you need to take your own advice.

I don’t hold grudges, I am only pointing out inconsistencies in your posts. You may need to change your approach. Otherwise, “you are” going to be perceived as a hypocrite.

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