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Old 05-04-2020, 10:45 PM
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Thanks Happy. Amazing what a difference a week makes. I ran down to Georgia a week ago the day after they opened that state for some work on my E46 and saw a bustling economy everywhere. People out, people shopping and people getting on with their lives with minimal restrictions. Sure enough, multiple states including yours have followed suit.

It's time for this hysteria to end. I understand there will be "those guys" that are afraid of their own shadow and will do anything to validate their positions but they should just stay home and let the rest of us move on with our lives.

Yeah, I am definitely ready to put this whole thing in the rear view mirror!

We opened up Friday. Some businesses decided to stay closed, some got right to it. I respect whatever the business owners choice is.

I am in a position where I can take my time, and not everyone has that luxury. So, I understand both sides. It’s easy for some to say, “yeah let’s stay in another 2 weeks”. While some are saying, “how am I going to feed my children and pay my mortgage”.

And like I was communicating to BC, and I’ll speak for myself personally. How am I really supposed to know how many people are actually perishing from covid19? With so much false reporting in the last 2 years, how can you really believe anything they say anymore?

I am glad it’s looking upbeat Boost! AMEN!
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:00 AM
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One of two consistencies would be, the origin of the virus. They say it came from bats. Bats have been around for as long as humans. The WORLD never got sick. Especially the way this virus spreads, mutates, infects, symptoms, and so on.

Two, they say it is a natural occurring virus. Then why don’t human beings have a natural immunity to it. We’re all supposed to believe that this virus just popped out of the wood works one day, so to speak.

They say, the location of what they call the first infection, happened in a market in Wuhan. The thing is, that market is within a close distance to a lab. A lab where viral studies are performed. The break down of this virus revealed some pretty nasty components. Hard to believe nature put these components into one virus.

So the first case, if they became sick from a bat? Why weren’t they hospitalized for food poisoning, or from touching something, not washing their hands and ending up with dysentery.? We’re all supposed to believe that the individual from the first original case, stood to close to bats and again got the whole world sick.

And, why the major shock to the global economy. Ok, people are getting sick and dying. But unfortunately, it happens every minute on earth. But again, why the loss of trillions in our stock market from a natural occurring virus? Wouldn’t it be prudent to preserve wealth? Now we don’t only have to recover from a virus, we now have to recover financially. Come on, give me a break, I wasn’t born yesterday.

The big one, the masks. From the beginning they said nothing can totally filter this virus. But, wearing a mask helps with the transmission of the virus. I’ll agree with that.

But, let’s dig deeper. Essential operations, grocery stores, hardware stores, gas stations, banks, etc. In Houston I’ve seen hoards of people in the hardware stores, and grocery stores. Masks, gloves the whole nine. Now to me with the exception of bars, and gyms. You know places that are easy to transmit illnesses, why can’t the same practice as the hardware store apply to all other business.

The science says, the masks and gloves work. If it’s safe to do business in a grocery store, why isn’t it safe to business in a clothing store, or electronics store? Or, for that matter Overboost says he operates his own business. Why can’t he practice what science says is a safe way to do business, and continue operations?

Why a complete shutdown of the most powerful county in the world?

Why does the United States have the most cases in the world, when this started in China? And don’t rely on, oh we didn’t do enough.

BC, do a thorough investigation into these simple matters using the available reporting, and you will find inconsistencies.

Again, in an investigation. If there are inconsistencies and conflicts in the accounts that have been reported, you probably have not received the entire truth.

One day we will have a clearer perspective. JMHO...
The virus that is afflicting the US, for the most part, had it origin from Europe not China. Separate labs and group of scientists had already genome the virus and can trace the virus back to Europe and not China. We stop the flights between US and China back at the end of January 2020, but flights from Europe continue up to March 2020.

The lack of testing also leads to the explosion of coronavirus cases in the US because no one knows if they had it or not and could be spreading the virus.
Simple question have you been tested? Do you know of anyone who have been tested? If you answer no to any of the questions that is why there's a lock down. The pandemic of 1918 killed more than 50 million people. Hopefully, we learn something from that pandemic and if we didn't we are just going to repeat the same mistake.

Lack of leadership on the part of our leaders elected to protect us even if the enemy is invisible.
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Old 05-06-2020, 11:42 AM
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Well said Upallnight. While cities like new york and chicago have seen a drop in new cases, new virus outbreaks continue to emerge in other major cities and smaller communities.

Tallying up the numbers and we're still under full force of this pandemic with no end in sight.

Every scientists and experts are worried that the reopening of the economy will bring about another round of new infections.

I know this isn't what most of us want to hear, but it's a real possibility.

The government needs to focus their efforts on mass testing and contact tracing.

Only by implementing these 2 strategies successfully can we move on to other much needed next steps, like relaxing social distancing and re-integrating the people back into the world.

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A lot of temporary layoffs are turning into permanent loss of jobs across America.

We gotta control the outbreak now. Or we won't have an economy to turn back to.
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I agree that bats have been involved in spreading many bad viruses to man. Different viruses have different characteristics COVID 19 is really bad one. How mobile we are is a big contributor to viruses impacting more of the world don't you think?

I think it is a major contributing factor. Do you think mobiltiy can be weaponized?
My reference to mobility was the ease we get from place to place in US and virtually anywhere in the world. Not sure what you are referencing.
A naturally occurring virus is different than a natural immunity. Immunity comes from having antibodies from having the disease, vaccinations etc. Right?

Then we should have ceased to exist years ago. Due to all of the brand new naturally occurring viruses from the beginning of time, from bats, etc. It should have wiped us out already. Prior to vaccinations.
We have been lucky so far that man has found ways to defeat the viruses or they died out.

This virus is certainly a bad one. WH house is investigating whether virus is manmade. Comments from experts I have heard say it is not. I'll go with the scientists on this one.

If inconsistencies have already been discovered in the reporting, how can you trust any report? Government official, scientist, reporters, etc.
Trust the scientists knowing that they are learning about this virus and their instructions will evolve as they have more data. Same is true of projecting number of infections and deaths. You wouldn't go to a plumber for expert input on fixing an X5 problem would you?
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I don't understand your point about food poisoning, not washing hands etc.
Why would you have to be close to a bat?

In one report it was said that the individual consumed the bat. If it were tainted meat wouldn't you just end up with food poisoning. If that was false reporting, and it was exposure to the bats themselves in an open market, it would then be the handling of the animals. That would mean the lab plays no role in the exposure. I am waiting for more evidence before I come to any conclusion.

Why does it matter?

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The impacts to the economy and stock market are cause and effect. COVID 19 is the cause and the effects are the negative impact to to the economy and stock market. The economy shock was because the country was closed and other countries had already closed that traded with us. The stock market dropped because of impending impact to our economy, negative effect on big companies, the economies of other countries all ready impacted, the market view of how the virus was being addressed, there was no known end in sight, no way to know how many people would get sick or die, etc.

Yes, but do you think there was transfer of wealth? Do you think people/countries capitalized on the crash? Do you think the crash was exacerbated by any of the preceding questions?
Some people have a way of profiting in the worst of situations by luck or intent. Same could be true of countries but I don't believe the virus was intentionally 'released'.

State governors decide who opens or remains closed. Different states can have different criterial. Why are Dallas and Houston opening anything?

Houston has been discussing the reopening in phases. My assumption is, money.

Different businesses are opened in different stages. Some of criteria are level of necessity of business, size of crowd and ability to comply with social distancing. Stages have nothing to do with money.

That is the decision of each individual governor. I don't know the rationales but my guess is their conclusions were based on how likely people will be infected. If Overboost can't go back to work it should be because the guidelines in his area but you will have to ask him.

But if the masks work for the grocery store and hardware store, why not all commerce?

Masks are only one of the criteria. See above response.
I don't understand how our power matters unless we had the power unless we had the power stop the virus and didn't use it. Did we use it and fail?

A bat vs. U.S.A, and the winner is.. A bat shutdown the most powerful country in the world? A sick bat at that! We better go back and reevaluate the real threat to our national security then. Is it Trump, or the bats?
Power doesn't matter. Wisdom does. We didn't use our capabilities wisely or prudently.

The first step the US made was address flights from China which was already too late. At that time there were no restrictions on arrivals from Europe to find those infected. To this day the President is still telling us it is not as bad as the experts say, thus experts are too careful what they can say and what they dare correct. This virus is brand new. We are learning a lot but we are a long way away from learning enough to do everything correctly. There are no standards for a plan for reopening from WH. I would say the CDC is far more qualified to prepare a plan than our Governor, wouldn't you agree? And, it is true that we didn't do enough soon enough and still are not capable of the amount of testing and tracking per the guidelines.

So, the million dollar question is..? Where those flights weaponized?

No, absolutely no indication this was an attack.

It could be true that conflicting information indicates there are falsehoods. Couldn't it mean that there are only differences of opinion, some bogus information out there, political spins, fake news etc that is just confusing?

Or could it be that information is being hidden? And its leading to reporting that is incomplete or inaccurate.
So you believe it is was planned attack on the US by a person, persons, organization or country to increase their wealth?

Only time will tell what really happened during the start of 2020. But I am definitely not going to be naïve to what is happening around me.
Who are saying is naive?
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One of two consistencies would be, the origin of the virus. They say it came from bats. Bats have been around for as long as humans. The WORLD never got sick. Especially the way this virus spreads, mutates, infects, symptoms, and so on.

Two, they say it is a natural occurring virus. Then why don’t human beings have a natural immunity to it. We’re all supposed to believe that this virus just popped out of the wood works one day, so to speak.

They say, the location of what they call the first infection, happened in a market in Wuhan. The thing is, that market is within a close distance to a lab. A lab where viral studies are performed. The break down of this virus revealed some pretty nasty components. Hard to believe nature put these components into one virus.

So the first case, if they became sick from a bat? Why weren’t they hospitalized for food poisoning, or from touching something, not washing their hands and ending up with dysentery.? We’re all supposed to believe that the individual from the first original case, stood to close to bats and again got the whole world sick.

And, why the major shock to the global economy. Ok, people are getting sick and dying. But unfortunately, it happens every minute on earth. But again, why the loss of trillions in our stock market from a natural occurring virus? Wouldn’t it be prudent to preserve wealth? Now we don’t only have to recover from a virus, we now have to recover financially. Come on, give me a break, I wasn’t born yesterday.

The big one, the masks. From the beginning they said nothing can totally filter this virus. But, wearing a mask helps with the transmission of the virus. I’ll agree with that.

But, let’s dig deeper. Essential operations, grocery stores, hardware stores, gas stations, banks, etc. In Houston I’ve seen hoards of people in the hardware stores, and grocery stores. Masks, gloves the whole nine. Now to me with the exception of bars, and gyms. You know places that are easy to transmit illnesses, why can’t the same practice as the hardware store apply to all other business.

The science says, the masks and gloves work. If it’s safe to do business in a grocery store, why isn’t it safe to business in a clothing store, or electronics store? Or, for that matter Overboost says he operates his own business. Why can’t he practice what science says is a safe way to do business, and continue operations?

Why a complete shutdown of the most powerful county in the world?

Why does the United States have the most cases in the world, when this started in China? And don’t rely on, oh we didn’t do enough.

BC, do a thorough investigation into these simple matters using the available reporting, and you will find inconsistencies.

Again, in an investigation. If there are inconsistencies and conflicts in the accounts that have been reported, you probably have not received the entire truth.

One day we will have a clearer perspective. JMHO...
The pandemic of 1918 (aka Spanish Flu although it didn't originate in Spain) killed over 50 million people worldwide.

In 1998, swine flu was found in pigs in four U.S. states. Within a year, it had spread through pig populations across the United States. Scientists found this virus had originated in pigs as a recombinant form of flu strains from birds and humans. In 2009 Swine Flu reappear and was named H1N1. Globally it is estimated that between 151,700 to 575,400 people died from swine flu in the first year of the pandemic
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Old 05-08-2020, 04:09 PM
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Who are saying is naive?
My reference to mobility was the ease we get from place to place in US and virtually anywhere in the world. Not sure what you are referencing.

So then there is a possibility the virus could have been intentionally spread. Weaponizing mobility, with ease.

This virus is certainly a bad one. WH house is investigating whether virus is manmade. Comments from experts I have heard say it is not. I'll go with the scientists on this one.

I am not going to take any side. I am going to patiently wait throughout the entire investigation, to realize the whole truth. We may never get the whole truth, and it could take years.

Trust the scientists knowing that they are learning about this virus and their instructions will evolve as they have more data. Same is true of projecting number of infections and deaths. You wouldn't go to a plumber for expert input on fixing an X5 problem would you?

By the time that data gets to you, there is no telling how accurate or true it will be. I personally don't put my trust in man, I put my trust in God. A plumber is not the correct field for BMW repair. However, how many times has an expert BMW repairman intentionally gave misleading information for personal gain?

Why does it matter?

It matters because if the virus did not from the market, but instead came from the lab it leaves a slew of unanswered questions. And an investigation will most certainly be required.

Some people have a way of profiting in the worst of situations by luck or intent. Same could be true of countries but I don't believe the virus was intentionally 'released'.

So its your personal belief that the virus is a natural disaster. What evidence do you have to support that belief? Not second hand or third hand data, personal data acquired by you personally.

Different businesses are opened in different stages. Some of criteria are level of necessity of business, size of crowd and ability to comply with social distancing. Stages have nothing to do with money.

The sole purpose of reopening commerce is to get the economy functioning again. I.e. MONEY.

No, absolutely no indication this was an attack.

What personal, not second, third hand data do you have to prove this statement? No, absolutely no indication this was an attack.

So you believe it is was planned attack on the US by a person, persons, organization or country to increase their wealth?

There will need to be a thorough investigation into this pandemic. This will likely take years. I have no direct opinion at this time with regards to it being a natural disaster, or biological attack.

Only time will tell what really happened during the start of 2020. But I am definitely not going to be naïve to what is happening around me.

The above statement in green is a personal belief, and has no implication toward any member of the forum.
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Good test this last weekend at VIR. The track really controlled the virus threat by only allowing entry to a specific named list at the gate. Once arrived you could not leave the facility and come back. We stayed at the Oak Tree Lodge hotel on the premises and had food catered from the Oak Tree Tavern. We finished our test in 3 days and headed home with almost 200 laps per car. We tested our SRO GT4 Aston Martin, an IMSA GT4 Porsche 718 and a GT4 981 Clubsport.

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Ah that was a nice mental break from this thread. Checking back in and catching up on what I missed.

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Good test this last weekend at VIR...
Very cool OB, glad you're "back in the saddle" again.

I'm with you on the continued lockdown and printing more money being extremely damaging to the country. Sending formerly working Americans onto the dole being a bad precedent to set. Especially if you are going to incentivize it by paying more than their salaries. Instead of expanding unemployment federally, I'd have preferred to see more payments to working Americans as well like the $1200 payments. With the amount of money thrown at different programs in the economic recovery bill $1000/mo for 10 months (using napkin math, numbers could be slightly different) would have been an easy thing to do and probably would have benefited more than all the red-tape laced SBA loans and PPP program which are going to be rife with fraud, defaults, etc. Using this method, another stimulus bill would not be needed, many more mortgages/rent would get paid, groceries would get bought, etc using the same amount of money over a much greater period of time.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on the masks though. The chart Maruzo posted is very helpful. You're right that it does not block all incoming particles but it blocks enough (especially from being expelled by the wearer) to have a hugely significant effect on transmission.

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Do you call yourself an African since everyone knows that human species originated in Africa?
I don't refer to myself that way, but I don't care if someone else does. Call me Mexican, German, Czech, etc. Doesn't phase me other than maybe raising an eyebrow. Certainly wouldn't raise my blood temperature. Focusing on the name of the virus is distracting from working on how to deal with it. People have gotten over it and, in general, have settled on calling it Covid-19 or the coronavirus. I typically call it, the rona. EOD calls it the kung flu, not going to ruffle my feathers. To quote Rodney, "What's in a name?"

I also agree with you (as I said way back in the thread) that quicker action would have been nice. US manufacturing (lack of), tariffs, China stocking up on PPP and limiting exports, etc all contributed. But comparing the US to countries with much different populations, densities, customs, etc is also not going to be very helpful. First, the reported numbers we have are, most likely, wildly inaccurate from most (if not all) countries. Second, our land mass and population densities vary greatly compared to most countries.

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I have to say I appreciate your new approach regarding this thread.
I agree. Thank you redliner.

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That’s all I said, and I showed you a simple graphic to illustrate my point.
Thank you for posting that graphic. I think back on page one or page two I said I thought the WHO, CDC, and gov't would be judged harshly by history for stating masks or face coverings should not be worn. I know why they did it, to protect limited supply for health care system. But would have respected them for saying as much rather than lying outright to the country saying they are ineffectual.

I am operating under the assumption EVERYONE has the virus and am cleaning most things I touch, am very careful how I touch them, and wash/sanitize my hands (usually only one hand touches a public object/surface) before touching anything. My wife works from home. We have our groceries delivered. Leave mail and packages on a "decontamination cart" in the garage for 2-3 days. And we only really travel to and from my parent's house. I've been to a grocery store once in the last 60 days. We wear masks when outside in public areas.

I consider our strategy fairly extreme, but we want (especially our children) to be part of the 20-40% of the population that does not get infected over the next 12-18 months. I don't pretend that everyone in the country has the luxury to stay home, or desire to frankly, and don't expect everyone to do what we are doing. People can live their lives the way they see fit. We cancelled a Mother's Day BBQ because my Mom went to a restaurant. Told her, "see you in 14 days." Meanwhile our neighbors across the street had 20-30 people over. Did we call in a complaint or get pissed? No, that's there right.
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