I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[Purplecty]

Has any of you conversating here been infected with covid?

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Has any of you conversating here been infected with covid?

Putting urself in others shoes?

Sure, that’s a valid point.

I don’t have it, but I imagine If I’ve had it and survived, I would still end up doing all the health related precautions that l’ve been doing. Maybe with more care and urgency.

There was a report about a mother who refused to get the vaccine.

She was infected with covid and didnt survive the exposure.

Her last wish was to make sure her kids get the vaccine.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Has any of you conversating here been infected with covid?

Haven't had COVID19. I have followed the CDC guidelines faithfully. I got vaccinated as soon as it was available to me and have had the booster shoot. I still wear a mask in any place I can't social distance. I still don't go out as much as I did pre Covid and it doesn't bother me.

Early on I lost my brother-in-law and a friend not that long ago. Neither had not been vaccinated.

I will never understand those that still don't accept getting vaccinated is the best thing they can do for themselves and their loved ones.

There are times when we know just enough to be dangerous and don't know we are. Sometimes one should trust the experts, those that have spent years specializing in infectious diseases. I have lots of education and the best result is I know how little I know and when it is best to trust an expert.

[crystalworks]

Like you E53Envyy, I am very pro choice on an individual and corporate level, with exceptions in both cases of course.

I am against seat belt mandates for adults, I am against the mandates for companies to require vaccination, and I am against governors (like mine in Texas) punishing companies who choose to require the vaccination. Employers (non-gov't) should have a choice, and employees should have the choice to work there or not. Schools have always been able to require shots for students, the pfizer vaccine is now fully approved, that should no longer be a point of contention. If a parent does not like the requirement, pull your kid out and enroll them in another school, or (as we have) home school them.

That said, anyone choosing not to the get the vaccine is rolling the dice and taking a chance they will not have bad symptoms or hospitalization as a result of getting infected. Which they will. At some point, we will all be exposed. But the fact that the vaccine, in most cases, reduces infection by a large factor, and then by a higher factor reduces severe symptoms, and then an even higher factor reduces hospitalization is, I would hope, proven by now. Anyone denying that is a zealot for some reason or another, whether it be politics, religion, etc. The only valid reason, to me, for not taking the shot is those afraid to take it because it might have long term effects. Which we won't know for decades. But again, they are risking their health and possibly lives on that. Which is their right. If anyone says that is their chosen reason, then I have no issue. Only time will tell who made the right call in that regards.

[ard]

In April of 2020, I was discussing this with someone...


I am very much a data/privacy nut. Like extreme. (Sued an health insurer (and won) to prohibit their collection of my SSN. So dedicated.)


But I realized that we had a way of using technology to create 'automated track and trace'. The cost to our privacy would be extreme, but perhaps the benefit to all of us in society would be on balance a good thing. Was it possible to get buy-in to this?



Then some of the asian countries began this- china, korea.



I came to realize it was a non-starter here, but had I foreseen the anti-mask, anti-vaccine lunacy, Id have realized how moronic my musings really were.

[bcredliner]

Whether a virus is alive or not is an ongoing debate among Microbiologists. It's easiest to understand, as laypersons, that they are alive. The key difference in the two points of view is a virus must have a host to replicate, therefore, if it must have a host to replicate it isn't alive.

To be considered alive depends on the definition of life. It may be a moot point if the road to treatment, vaccine and eradication are the same for all viruses, but it is one indication of the challenges of microbiologists and where we are on the learning curve.

A new virus has no history so countermeasures start from scratch. In the meantime the best line of defense, currently and historically, has been the wearing of masks, avoiding crowds and social distancing. Since the current rate of infection is not under control those historical initial measures are still applicable.

By current statistics states dominated by republicans have highest rate of infection which strongly indicates the political bias of following the guidelines and getting vaccinated. In addition, Florida and Texas show high rates of infections and those are two of the states where governors have implemented executive orders stopping businesses and schools from implementing guidelines. Those are real, on the ground facts that are easy to understand and conclude what causes high rates of infection and what we can do to stop the spread.

In short, as laypersons technical data is easy to blow holes in but we don't know enough about the details to draw those conclusions. When we don't know enough about an electrical problem we call an electrician, when we have a plumbing problem beyond our capability we call a plumber. But when we surely don't know enough about COVID19 we make our own decisions and openly disagree with the experts. Where is the logic in that?

A forum is an example of both avenues. I applaud when someone takes the risk to ask for help because they recognize it is time to find an answer from someone that knows more than they do. On the other hand there are those that immediately draw a conclusion and advise what parts to buy when it is only from their personal experience rather than expertise. Do you have the expertise to draw your own conclusions about COVID rather than ask and follow the input of experts that know tons more about what to do to end the COVID health crisis than you do?

[Purplecty]

My whole family had it before the vaccine was available. I would define our symptoms as flu like symptoms which we all fully recovered from with no hospitalization or doctor visits. We monitored our vitals and especially oxygen saturation due to becoming winded after walking up some stairs. Saturation always stayed above 96%. My 70 yr old mother had little to no symptoms outside of loss of taste and smell. This is just my experience. I still take precautions as needed. Overall, I think people aren't against the vaccine but are more against the attempt to mandate. If you decided to get the vaccine to protect yourself than the discussion should end there. You made that choice in an attempt to protect yourself from the virus.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

My whole family had it before the vaccine was available. I would define our symptoms as flu like symptoms which we all fully recovered from with no hospitalization or doctor visits. We monitored our vitals and especially oxygen saturation due to becoming winded after walking up some stairs. Saturation always stayed above 96%. My 70 yr old mother had little to no symptoms outside of loss of taste and smell. This is just my experience. I still take precautions as needed. Overall, I think people aren't against the vaccine but are more against the attempt to mandate. If you decided to get the vaccine to protect yourself than the discussion should end there. You made that choice in an attempt to protect yourself from the virus.

Glad you experience was not serious. I assume no one was vaccinated? Was no one eligible or why did they make the choice not to be vaccinated?

The isn't much difference between a law and a mandate. For example, if a governor issued a mandate that if one was caught going 40mph in the left lane of a freeway then would go to jail for 30 days, how many people would defy the mandate intentionally because they are free to do as they choose? And how many would say it is about time, their freedom put me at risk? Mandate or law the rationale is to protect those potentially being negatively impacted by another's decision or those driving 40 in the passing lane from a dangerous choice.

[Purplecty]

The Vaccine was not available at that point. I dont like to debate about it. Just stating my experience. Im reluctant to get the vaccine myself after fully recovering and I honestly don't plan to get it since I have a high anti body count. That's my choice to make and I will live or die with it. Would I tell anyone to get it or not? Nope! that is their decision to make!
I also never get a flu shot and am strong as a bull throughout all seasons!

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

The Vaccine was not available at that point. I dont like to debate about it. Just stating my experience. Im reluctant to get the vaccine myself after fully recovering and I honestly don't plan to get it since I have a high anti body count. That's my choice to make and I will live or die with it. I also never get a flu shot and am strong as a bull throughout all seasons!

No intent to debate, just wondering.

Again wondering. Having had COVID in your family, knowing what you know now, if the vaccine had been available prior, would any of the family have gotten vaccinated?.

FYI, experts have not determined how long the antibodies are sufficient protection and not all that have been infected have antibodies. One study found that 88% showed no evidence of antibodies. Current recommendation is to get vaccinated even if one has already recovered from being infected.