I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[Purplecty]

Sorry I was referring to in general...

[E53Envyy]

On the topic of breakthrough cases, what do you guys think about the plane of 55 Democrats who were all fully vaccinated before flight, but after, six came forward with positive covid test results (who knows if others kept quiet).

That’s an 11% breakthrough rate.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/polit...-19/index.html




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[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by E53Envyy

On the topic of breakthrough cases, what do you guys think about the plane of 55 Democrats who were all fully vaccinated before flight, but after, six came forward with positive covid test results (who knows if others kept quiet).

That’s an 11% breakthrough rate.

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/18/polit...-19/index.html



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One plane with 55 passengers is anecdotal. It cannot be used to extrapolate any percentage that can be considered as an accurate calculation of nationwide breakthrough cases.

In addition, we don't know if any of the passengers had compromised immune systems or the quality of the air circulation system.

[EODguy]

"Most numbers are done as say 150,000,000 total vaccinated vs 25,000,000 (15-25) vaccinated of which 50% are male and 20% getting myocarditis = huge risk numbers" ~EODGUY

As I said previously (above) they mix numbers to obfuscate the problems.

Among persons with reported myocarditis after mRNA vaccination, the median age was 26 years (range*=*12–94 years), with median symptom onset interval of 3 days after vaccination (range*=*0–179). Among 1,194 reports for which patient age was known, 687 were among persons aged <30 years and 507 were among persons aged ≥30 years; of 1,212 with sex reported, 923 were male, and 289 were female.§§



Myocarditis causes damage to the heart muscles usually via scarring and as I'm sure you know. Damage done to heart muscle does NOT heal back to previous levels of health and leaves one open to cardiac events more easily.

So you are basically aging someone's heart maybe 1 year, 20 years or more depending on damage and no one wants to have their child end up with a heart like a middle aged person.

Getting a vaccine should always be an individual's decision but to mandate shots for school aged children (under 18) the LEAST at risk for death from covid19 yet with the highest risk of heart damage makes zero sense.

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[bcredliner]

Sorry for length of post.

[QUOTE=EODguy;1211752]"Most numbers are done as say 150,000,000 total vaccinated vs 25,000,000 (15-25) vaccinated of which 50% are male and 20% getting myocarditis = huge risk numbers" ~EODGUY

I'm not getting your point. Are you saying that 20% of the vaccinated male age group of 15-25 are getting myocarditis? Where does the 20% come from?

As I said previously (above) they mix numbers to obfuscate the problems.

Among persons with reported myocarditis after mRNA vaccination, the median age was 26 years (range*=*12–94 years), with median symptom onset interval of 3 days after vaccination (range*=*0–179). Among 1,194 reports for which patient age was known, 687 were among persons aged <30 years and 507 were among persons aged ≥30 years; of 1,212 with sex reported, 923 were male, and 289 were female.§§

I'm not getting your point here either unless it is simply that cases are largely younger folks and it happens to males more than females. Using your number of 1194 vaccinated individuals that get myocarditis, how many vaccinated in those age groups did not get myocarditis? Regardless, most of the cases of myocarditis have been very mild and resolved on their own. The risk of getting myocarditis is much higher for those that have not been vaccinated and are infected by COVID. Even then it is very low. [url]https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-information-for-parents-on-myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-202107012523 See paragraph 2.

Myocarditis causes damage to the heart muscles usually via scarring and as I'm sure you know. Damage done to heart muscle does NOT heal back to previous levels of health and leaves one open to cardiac events more easily.

So you are basically aging someone's heart maybe 1 year, 20 years or more depending on damage and no one wants to have their child end up with a heart like a middle aged person.

Not all cases of myocarditis damage the heart.
It entirely depends on the severity. 10-15% get myocarditis a second time. See source-https://www.myocarditisfoundation.org/about-myocarditis/

Getting a vaccine should always be an individual's decision but to mandate shots for school aged children (under 18) the LEAST at risk for death from covid19 yet with the highest risk of heart damage makes zero sense.

[Maruzo]

I think if you want to talk about the pros and cons of vaccinating children, you should also address what the adults in the family are doing to prevent the spread of the virus.

If the adults in the family are refusing to vaccinate citing individual freedom of choice, then refusing to vaccinate their children citing risk of heart damage for their children, you have a family of potential virus carriers who helps to prolong the pandemic, not shorten it.

We have billions of people on this planet who desperately needs the vaccine to curtail the spread of this virus in their country but do not have the political power or connection to secure them. And then we have Americans who have that exact luxury of taking the vaccine, free, at any time of their choosing.

My local cvs won’t even ask you whether you qualify for the booster shot or not. They are just happy to administer it to another person. I spoke to the pharmacist who administered the shots, he says he’s just happy that we show up, and that one more person he gives the shot to, means one less chance of spreading this virus.

To each his own, I suppose. Personally, I think it’s incredibly selfish and entitled to think your actions and choices does not have an adverse effect on the well being of the people around you.

I cover my mouth and sneeze into my elbow. I see the vaccination effort is an extension of that common courtesy for our fellow neighbors.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

Personally, I think it’s incredibly selfish and entitled to think your actions and choices does not have an adverse effect on the well being of the people around you.

I don't think it's selfish at all to be concerned with the unknown. Just because you and I are satisfied with the data released regarding vaccine safety does not mean all will be. We can disagree with their decision, but berating it or acting "holier than thou" isn't going to anyone any good either.

At this point, the unvaccinated pose a very small risk to the vaccinated population. That's why the hospital numbers are so skewed to the unvaccinated population. Let them make, and live, with their own decisions. I'll feel like we can go back to almost totally normal (personally, my family, not the country) once the kids are vaccinated. AFAIAC, at that point, the pandemic is effectively over for us. If we suffer a breakthrough case(s), the symptoms are likely to be very mild and hospitalization a very small likelyhood. But at least we can start taking the kids out again to the park, museums, and seeing their friends via non digital means. Can't wait.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

I don't think it's selfish at all to be concerned with the unknown. Just because you and I are satisfied with the data released regarding vaccine safety does not mean all will be. We can disagree with their decision, but berating it or acting "holier than thou" isn't going to anyone any good either.

At this point, the unvaccinated pose a very small risk to the vaccinated population. That's why the hospital numbers are so skewed to the unvaccinated population. Let them make, and live, with their own decisions. I'll feel like we can go back to almost totally normal (personally, my family, not the country) once the kids are vaccinated. AFAIAC, at that point, the pandemic is effectively over for us. If we suffer a breakthrough case(s), the symptoms are likely to be very mild and hospitalization a very small likelyhood. But at least we can start taking the kids out again to the park, museums, and seeing their friends via non digital means. Can't wait.

By your logic (not disagreeing), then the breakout cases among the vaccinated could be largedly attributed to the unvaccinated. So if purplcity and eod places big emphasis on the ineffectiveness of the vaccine due to the breakout cases, doesn't that prove the unvaccinated is posing a serious risk to the vaccinated population?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, cw. Not saying you are, but the logic behind the breakout cases being the reason for not getting vaccinated, it's not sound.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

By your logic (not disagreeing), then the breakout cases among the vaccinated could be largedly attributed to the unvaccinated. So if purplcity and eod places big emphasis on the ineffectiveness of the vaccine due to the breakout cases, doesn't that prove the unvaccinated is posing a serious risk to the vaccinated population?

You can't have your cake and eat it too, cw. Not saying you are, but the logic behind the breakout cases being the reason for not getting vaccinated, it's not sound.

Breakout cases are a small risk to vaccinated public. Do they happen? Yep, though at a fairly small percentage. Those numbers will rise as the efficacy of the original round of vaccines wanes. But more importantly than being infected, is being protected from hospitalization or serious illness. That's why I quantified with small in regards to the risk. I don't mind getting sick, it happens all the time with kids in school, but I want to be able to manage it at home like any other mild illness.

I didn't say breakout cases were reasoning to not be vaccinated, but rather the unsurety regarding the safety (short term or long term) of the vaccines is an understandable concern some people have. We may not agree with their conclusion regarding the data, but after children can be vaccinated, unvaccinated individuals will pose little threat of serious illness. It will be akin to those who do not opt for the flu shot at that point. At least, that is, if the data being reported is accurate. <<< But that's a whole other discussion. LoL

[Happy]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

At least, that is, if the data being reported is accurate. &lt;&lt;&lt; But that's a whole other discussion. LoL

Now that’s the truth.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...virus-numbers/