I'll take Covid in Floriduh for $100...or "Is DeSantis toast?"

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

There have been many mandates addressing infectious diseases in the past. There are several vaccinations children must have before starting school. Measles and mumps are two examples. Those vaccinations are required so why not a COVID mandate for all?

Certainly, vaccines to attend school, obviously should be a thing. Never said I was against that. Quite the opposite, I think we should remove exemptions from school vaccination requirements. Don't want to vaccinate your kids? No problem, pay for their private education.

But schools of children are not equivalent to businesses of adults. If an employee's company requires a vaccination, they have a choice. Likewise for employees whose company does not require vaccination. Either employee can choose to work there or not.

As far as fauci is concerned, I don't know how he still holds his position. He's lied to the public. And he's lied to Congress. I trust him as far as I can throw him. He has been in Washington too long.

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Aren't vaccinated people also still hosts as well? I am curious how as soon as the vaccine started circulating is when the delta variant miraculously popped up and cases started to rise?

Yes, the vaccinated public are still hosts. The purpose of the vaccine has gotten convoluted over time. Partially due to learning more over time. It's main purpose is to prevent hospitalization and death. Secondarily, it has a chance to prevent infection/carrier status, but to a smaller extent. I don't remember the percentages. I wouldn't read into the timing of Delta variant though.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Certainly, vaccines to attend school, obviously should be a thing. Never said I was against that. Quite the opposite, I think we should remove exemptions from school vaccination requirements. Don't want to vaccinate your kids? No problem, pay for their private education.



But schools of children are not equivalent to businesses of adults. If an employee's company requires a vaccination, they have a choice. Likewise for employees whose company does not require vaccination. Either employee can choose to work there or not.

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

99.7% survival rate

A 20 year previous 100% failed vaccine type that went start to finish in 9 months.

A 2%-5% chance of catching covid19 (+/- depending on area)

A 50/50 chance of either temporary dangerous, life threatening or permanent damage from vaccine side effects. 100% since you are being injected.

A.D.E. seems to be happening now and labeled as breakthrough cases same as Dengue vaccine issue that killed many children in Asia a few years ago.

Children (under 18) dying from covid19 in the USA is around 350 and many of them had other serious health problems such as cancer or severe asthma.

All the other vaccines we put into our children were tested and studied for years before approval and their risk of side effects are so low compared to admitted reactions (not self reported) as to be Russian roulette just on short term.

Suggest reading The Lancet, Harvard and various international studies to include the Israeli studies.

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[E53Envyy]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

99.7% survival rate

A 20 year previous 100% failed vaccine type that went start to finish in 9 months.

A 2%-5% chance of catching covid19 (+/- depending on area)

A 50/50 chance of either temporary dangerous, life threatening or permanent damage from vaccine side effects. 100% since you are being injected.

A.D.E. seems to be happening now and labeled as breakthrough cases same as Dengue vaccine issue that killed many children in Asia a few years ago.

Children (under 18) dying from covid19 in the USA is around 350 and many of them had other serious health problems such as cancer or severe asthma.

All the other vaccines we put into our children were tested and studied for years before approval and their risk of side effects are so low compared to admitted reactions (not self reported) as to be Russian roulette just on short term.

Suggest reading The Lancet, Harvard and various international studies to include the Israeli studies.

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And to think Ontario is mandating the vaccine for kids ages 5-12 to attend school soon...

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Here's the problem that most people won't admit...

The mRNA vaccines have NEVER worked in the last 20+ years they've been tried and in fact had caused high death rates (all animals). Now understand that until covid19 these vaccines were only ever tested (and failed) on animals. There isn't any long term studies on them since even the scientists couldn't keep their animals alive long enough (of those who survived) out of the subjects.

I understand enough about biological hazards due my training that I know what questions to seek answers for and to understand a good percentage of scientific papers.

For me personally......

I hear you. As in a previous post, I understand the hesitancy based on long term concerns.

But the vaccines have been in bodies now for 10 months. People have not been dying en masse, or having adverse affects in great numbers. Long term effects, if any, won't be known for years. I admitted, those choosing not to get vaccinated could prove to be geniuses. Everyone will have to make their own decision. All the other mandated vaccines started as long term unknowns also.

Schools can spread illness immensely fast. Vaccine mandates in schools is still something I think is necessary, and has been a thing for a very long time. Parents not wanting to vaccinate have a choice of private school or homeschooling. My wife and I have made that choice going on 2 years now. It's a burden, but if concerns are that high... Parents do what they feel is best.

[E53Envyy]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

If there isn't a federal mandate business all will be left to their own decision. What small or large businesses decide to do won't be consistent, the same for corporations. Sounds like a fantastic recipe for nationwide chaos. To those that don't believe the guidelines are correct or don't think vaccinations for all is the way to go, what do you think we should do?

I'd invest in mass distribution of covid rapid tests to all citizens, businesses and schools. I'd then explain to people all the key information and be transparent about the tests - making sure that taking a test is extremely simple and easy. People would be recommended to take a test every three days or depending on their daily routine.

I would then invest into COVID air detectors and give those to businesses and schools.

After that, I would invest in covid treatments. Currently here in Ontario we are told to stay home if we feel sick and only when we're about to die should we seek treatment. Furthermore, if we suspect we have covid and are symptomatic we are told to get tested at the hospital and not allowed in a walk-in clinic or other testing facilities. If you didn't have covid before going to the hospital, you probably do after.



The drawback of the covid rapid tests is the cost (here in Ontario retail costs $15-20, wholesale is <$5) but in reality they could be reduced down to <$1 as it's a glorified test strip.

Another drawback is that people my be reluctant to take the test. I would do my best to show people how quick and easy a rapid test is, but I would not mandate anything. If people have concerns I would listen and not criticize them, changing my approach to better fit their needs.

I'd lift any mandates for everyone and impose a rapid test mandate on the schools.

Really the end goal is to invest into the covid air detection technology. Many company's claim to have a solution already so it's the difficulty of mass production. Once the air detectors are rolled out, the pressure on taking the rapid tests reduces and it's back to normal we go!


What do you think?

Edit: Oh, maybe imposing a mask mandate on people who do not show a valid recent rapid test. This way people are incentivized to take the test and it confirms to other people that if you do not have a mask on then you definitely do not have covid. Now this is a little extreme and I would think long and hard before imposing this mandate.

[Purplecty]

Aren't vaccinated people also still hosts as well? I am curious how as soon as the vaccine started circulating is when the delta variant miraculously popped up and cases started to rise?

[Maruzo]

The problem with having too many choices, is you end up not making any.

So many questions and so many different answers. It's almost like this is a jersey shore episode. Why did Joey choose to wear the tuxedo when it's clearly an informal gathering?

There are so many different voices in this pandemic. Each believing they are correct.

Which makes the job of the experts at CDC that much harder.

When you start doubting the effectiveness of the number one expert on infectious disease and choose to listen to a non expert who pushes for all kinds of cockamamy treatment options, it's no surprise that this country as a whole ends up not able to stick to an effective and universal way of avoiding getting the virus.

The head of the chicago police union is telling its members not to follow the vaccine mandate.

When the mayor presents a compromised solution, he then instructs his constituents to not divulge their vaccine status, citing privacy concerns.

Has it come down to this? We fight every single step on public health policies, even though we know it is designed with the maximum good of the population in mind?

We are willing pawns of somebody's political agenda because they are our leader, even at the detriment of our own health?

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

The problem with having too many choices, is you end up not making any.

So many questions and so many different answers. It's almost like this is a jersey shore episode. Why did Joey choose to wear the tuxedo when it's clearly an informal gathering?

There are so many different voices in this pandemic. Each believing they are correct.

Which makes the job of the experts at CDC that much harder.

When you start doubting the effectiveness of the number one expert on infectious disease and choose to listen to a non expert who pushes for all kinds of cockamamy treatment options, it's no surprise that this country as a whole ends up not able to stick to an effective and universal way of avoiding getting the virus.

The head of the chicago police union is telling its members not to follow the vaccine mandate.

When the mayor presents a compromised solution, he then instructs his constituents to not divulge their vaccine status, citing privacy concerns.

Has it come down to this? We fight every single step on public health policies, even though we know it is designed with the maximum good of the population in mind?

We are willing pawns of somebody's political agenda because they are our leader, even at the detriment of our own health?

Endorsing your point---Several states that are largely republican and unvaccinated represented 95% of the recent spikes.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by Purplecty

Aren't vaccinated people also still hosts as well? I am curious how as soon as the vaccine started circulating is when the delta variant miraculously popped up and cases started to rise?

Vaccinated individuals aren't hosts. They don't infect others unless they have been re-infected.

The Delta version is a mutation. That is what a virus does if not controlled. The spike was because Delta is more infectious, thus more unvaccinated people are getting it than 19. It has nothing to do with vaccinated people.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Vaccinated individuals aren't hosts. They don't infect others unless they have been re-infected.

A vaccinated individual with an asymptomatic infection, would be a host. Just clarifying. I think that's what he meant.