What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by EODguy

Ok that's just bullshit.

They're not "secret police" they are DHS, FSS agents and being arrested and put into an unmarked car happens in every city from local PD. The Constitution grants the authority to the president to utilize federal law enforcement for violations of federal law anywhere in the United States and governors, mayors nor dog catchers have the authority to deny them access to their state, county or city. If you're a peaceful protester standing in the middle of a bunch of folks throwing rocks, firebombs, etc you are by law a participant in said riot.

When arrested these yahoos are processed just like anybody arrested by local authorities. I get that you hate this president but at least say it's because of his policies, etc and not some lie about secret police.

Secret police if they were operating wouldn't arrest someone and let them go, they would have put a round in the rioters grapes to be shoved into waiting holes to take a quik lime nap.
The United States of America is NOT a democracy, we are a democratic republic.

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Federal authorities have the right to defend federal property. The statutes for addressing riots is quite restricted. Typically federal authorities are requested by state officials and come in to support, working side by side with local police.

I think that when federal authorities are in camo uniforms, faces covered, no official identification visible, will not identify themselves, using unidentified vans and won't tell people why they have been detained, working and are working independent of local authorities it is logical to refer to them as 'secret' police.

Seems to me the action was in violation of state and individual rights. My guess is they grabbed whomever was close regardless of what they were doing as a show of force, to instill apprehension in all protestors. I think what Trump wanted was visibility of his power and to demean the local democrat officials. And another warning to anyone that stands up to him-democrat or republican or otherwise as to the extent he will go to retaliate and attack his critics.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Federal authorities have the right to defend federal property. The statutes for addressing riots is quite restricted. Typically federal authorities are requested by state officials and come in to support, working side by side with local police.

I think that when federal authorities are in camo uniforms, faces covered, no official identification visible, will not identify themselves, using unidentified vans and won't tell people why they have been detained, working and are working independent of local authorities it is logical to refer to them as 'secret' police.

Seems to me the action was in violation of state and individual rights. My guess is they grabbed whomever was close regardless of what they were doing as a show of force, to instill apprehension in all protestors. I think what Trump wanted was visibility of his power and to demean the local democrat officials. And another warning to anyone that stands up to him-democrat or republican or otherwise as to the extent he will go to retaliate and attack his critics.

If that’s not the behavior of a wanna be dictator I don’t know what is.

It’s sad we’ve been on the path of democracy for over 200 years to have produced a bigoted, incompetent and spoiled dictator to represent us.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by Maruzo

It’s sad we’ve been on the path of democracy for over 200 years to have produced a bigoted, incompetent and spoiled dictator to represent us.

That's what happens when the electorate only has two choices, civics is no longer taught in schools (an uneducated voter is a manipulatable voter), unlimited money is able to be spent during the campaign, lobbying is legal, and when the most extreme members of each side are the loudest whiners but have the megaphone to be heard over social media. The middle majority is busy trying to survive.

Trump is within his rights to send agents to defend Federal property. If protestors were smart they'd leave Federal buildings alone. If they were really smart they'd stop spray painting crap, breaking windows, and setting fires. Where is the acknowledgement that he is finally wearing a mask and actively promoting people do it? Took him waaaaaay too long, but at least he got there.

Obama expanded spying on the American public, data collection, and FISA court use. I'll say it again, almost all politicians suck. Just because one is less offensive, more intelligent, and more eloquent doesn't give him a pass for violating civil rights.

[Happy]

It’s sad we’ve been on the path of democracy for over 200 years to have produced a bigoted, incompetent and spoiled dictator to represent us.

Are you seriously going to let a small moment in time, taint the entire legacy?

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

That's what happens when the electorate only has two choices, civics is no longer taught in schools (an uneducated voter is a manipulatable voter), unlimited money is able to be spent during the campaign, lobbying is legal, and when the most extreme members of each side are the loudest whiners but have the megaphone to be heard over social media. The middle majority is busy trying to survive.

Trump is within his rights to send agents to defend Federal property. If protestors were smart they'd leave Federal buildings alone. If they were really smart they'd stop spray painting crap, breaking windows, and setting fires. Where is the acknowledgement that he is finally wearing a mask and actively promoting people do it? Took him waaaaaay too long, but at least he got there.

Obama expanded spying on the American public, data collection, and FISA court use. I'll say it again, almost all politicians suck. Just because one is less offensive, more intelligent, and more eloquent doesn't give him a pass for violating civil rights.

Trump is a well known bigot and failed business man. Barbara Walters interviewed him back in the 80s and called out his bullshit way back then.

If you look into the timing of the federal agent's involvement in the Portland protests and the simultaneous releasing of Trump's new campaign ads grouping Biden together with the "violent protesters". It is clear as day that the sending of the unmarked federal agents is purely a political move.

His subsequent press briefing regarding his planned deployment of more federal agents to other "democrat-run cities" is just more of his plan to divide this country and grow his base by pitting americans against each other.

This is not a unifying leader. This is the act of a desperate man who cares not about the well being of his constituents, but only his re-election.

You're right about his right to send agents to defend federal buildings.

But ask yourself, do you really believe that is his intention?

I don't.

[EODguy]

CW & Happy.

Agree

Maruzo. I have seen what dictators do, what socialists do, and what anarchists do.

But you seem to think that 57 CONTINUOUS days of people breaking shit that taxpayers funded is ok or cool solely based on hatred of Trump.

Trump does plenty of shit I don't like.

Obama did so few things I agreed with yet I never called him names nor went around making disparaging remarks about people who supported him.

Can you say the same is how people act under Trump?




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[Happy]

Trump is a well known bigot and failed business man. Barbara Walters interviewed him back in the 80s and called out his bullshit way back then.

So how does a FAILURE and a BULLSHITTER become president? Magic??.

[Maruzo]

Not magic, a lot of work went into bullshitting people like you and me. Enough of us bought into his koolaid to get him elected.

Simple as that.

Did you buy into his bullshit ?

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by EODguy

CW & Happy.

Agree

Maruzo. I have seen what dictators do, what socialists do, and what anarchists do.

But you seem to think that 57 CONTINUOUS days of people breaking shit that taxpayers funded is ok or cool solely based on hatred of Trump.

Trump does plenty of shit I don't like.

Obama did so few things I agreed with yet I never called him names nor went around making disparaging remarks about people who supported him.

Can you say the same is how people act under Trump?




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If you don’t want people to call you names, you should not call others names first.

That’s not hard to follow.

Trumps the one who pioneered holding on to petty feuds with everyone who dislikes him.

Hard to respect somebody like that.

Obama gets peoples respect because he’s always courteous and respectful.

He also didn’t kiss Putin’s ass every chance he got.

[bcredliner]

The protests are not about disliking Trump. The protests are about "Black Lives Matter". That's getting lost in his sending in federal agencies to address what he calls domestic terrorists" though after all the despicable, ignorant and just plain stupid things he has done I am appalled that more followers have not broken rank.

Yes, Trump has stated he supports wearing masks though he is also saying schools most open which is just as idiotic if controlling the virus is the goal.

About the waaay to late. How many lemmings didn't wear masks and still won't? His position has been it is a personal choice to wear masks. That has been a significant reason for thousands of unnecessary deaths, resulted in a huge jump in unemployment, has strapped so many Americans with major hospital bills and contributed to the resurgence of infections. So I don't give him a pass, no redemption or forgiveness. I don't see much difference in what he has done than David Koresh convincing followers to drink kool-aid that kills them and setting fire to the compound that is our country in this case.

What Obama did or didn't do doesn't matter. It doesn't justify Trump's actions and behavior. He stands on what he does and says. IMO he doesn't think about what is good for others or this country. He if focused on nothing other than what is best for him. The best I can say about Trump is his behavior is not all his fault. He inherited much of it.

Voting for the candidate that has the best chance of defeating Trump may be manipulative but it is also vital. Gerrymandering is manipulative as is trying to stop absentee voting.