What's the matter with Donald Trump.

[EODguy]

Originally Posted by ard

Any explanation that involve expertise, are rejected in favor of math they can do on a watch calculator it seems.... no wonder Trump controls the non-college educated crowd... what rock are you living under to divide two numbers and declare that is 'todays' risk????????


1st. I quoted the experts at the CDC!

2nd. Funny that you "assume" that I am not college educated (I am and I have Bachelors degree in business) but hey a trigger puller can't possibly be smart huh?

3rd. I don't have access to US television channels since I am here in the Middle East (almost exclusively UK, French and Japanese networks) and rather watch in English, but I do speak Spanish, Pashto, Arabic (not well)

4th. As for the math that seems beyond your grasp a basic college course in statistics would help you figure out how to run a statistical analysis.

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What is your risk of dying if you get sick need a hospital and all beds are full? Calculate that number for us. Furthermore, lets say it isnt coid. lets say it is something else. Tell us what two numbers to divide.

5th. Not sure what "coid" is Mr. Educated but that number is imponderable since even at the peak in NYC there were still bed spaces available, so if you can pull those numbers for the USA I'll be your Huckleberry and help you with the math.




So kids. Kids dont die from covid. Who gives a F?

6th. I never once said that kids don't die from covid19, hence the CDC numbers listing fatalities of those under 15 years of age.

7th. I do give a fuck about life especially childrens lives but a risk that has to this point caused less deaths in children than household poisonings or even undetected heart conditions in children of the same age group is completely insane.


The idea that kids dont get it, kids dont die, kids dont pass it along AND- importantly- when they are 'going to school' there is some kind of bubble around them such that the only environment in which they interact is 'school' - is woefully simplistic.

8th. Never said that or suggested that but as we can tell being "woefully simplistic" is apparently your comprehension level.

Finally, another FOX talking point: Other countries have done it. LOL. Countries which have testing. Countries that have CONTACT TRACING. Countries that have their pandemic under control. We have idiots here in the USA that refuse to wear masks, that refuse to talk with contact tracers ("Im an American, if I wanna kill myself its my G D right, boy! Aint gonna talk with no pinko wanting to know where I was")

9th. I'll say it again since I am positive you don't understand... I'm in the Middle East and don't get Fox news nor any of the others such as NBC, CBS, ABC. I get Sky news, BBC, NHK, France24 and Al Jazeera.



Sorry to be so short, people are dying, people are ignorant, and ive just had it with BS.

A false apology and the perfect example of "disingenuous" if there ever was one.

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[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by EODguy

...If you have ever played slots, cards, etc for money you have taken a greater risk with your financial wealth than you would be if you went to work/school now based on percentages only (350,000,000 ppl vs 125,000 deaths) everyone in the world today will die (fact) but out of those positive covid19 cases 4% have died. Now take 125 thousand and divide by 350 million and that is the actual percentage chance you have of dying...

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Assuming chance of dying from COVID is 4 %, are you suggesting that we as a country is over reacting to this pandemic? That we are wasting away trillions and turning the economy backwards for nothing?

I know you haven’t said any of this, but is this what you are thinking?

I personally know a lot of people who are still not taking this seriously. And yes, none of these people are COVID positive.

That does not mean this isn’t the most serious health crisis this world has ever seen since the 1918 influenza.

There are many parallels between both occurrences, read up and you’ll know.

[motordavid]

The school kids may/are probably at low risk for serious effects of CV 19, other than the anecdotal death/serious afflictions from the virus. I think many of us are aware of that v slight impact on school age children...

The people at risk are the teachers, admins, bus drivers, and the parents/grand parents that are in close contact with 'the kids'.

I get that kids ought to be in school: it's good for them/better learning situ/social, etc , not to mention that a considerable % of families in the US have two parents 'working' and the kid(s) in school time allows for my parents to get back to their outside the house jobs, if they still have a job.

'Back to work' helps the mental health of us all as a nation, and of course the Econ...

The state and local school boards are in a no win situ and are trying to figure out how to get them back 'safely', and weighing the risks the kids 'take home' with them...a bit of Damocles Sword in a way.

For the elected idiots, (either 'party'), to pound the table and push, cajole, 'demand' that 'schools reopen' is simply political theater based on whim and party driven platitudes, imo.

Of one were to line up 20 top epidemologists/viral research people and ask "How is it going, is the virus eroding in severity, will it come around in a stronger fashion, what are the estimated risk components, what is 'your opin', et al" and on and on, I suspect we would get a dozen+ opins.

But at least those opins and comments are coming from medical people who have the education and scientific background to make a comment/opin...our elected knuckleheads, (with v few exceptions who have medical/science degrees), are just opining on what they would like to have happen, and again 'bs party politics' driven and often derisive, divisive and polarized simply for effect.

I surely don't have the answer(s), but as a grand parent and very close to our 17 yr old about to be HS senior, I don't want to 'get it' and see/hope I am one of the 'lucky ones'.

My point of view on wanting to dodge the current version of SARS-CoV-2 is personal, I understand, but for many of us it is personal. So is the Econ, biz in general, our population's mental & physical health, et al.

Not arm wrestling, but just pivoting off a stat that shows low hospitalization/even lower death rate and suggesting that school kids are 'insulated' at school is disingenuous at best.

Stats are all over the net from hundreds of sources; I follow this crap closely, (I have a debilitating neuro condition and an erratic at best immune system), and even with close reading from many sources it is v difficult to get a handle on it in terms of its current seriousness, mid to longer term impact on humans, and on and fookin on.

In the meantime, I am careful but not paranoid and other than chasing the ball 3-4 days a week with a rare trip to Walmart/et al, we have pretty much refrained from our usual social stuff. A pity and discouraging, as in our early 70s we don't have 'years to be patient and wait out' this situ.

Back at the semi-Political Ranch, current elected idiots of either party and the appointed toadies in 'authority', esp the non med legions, are simply talking heads with an agenda, imo. "Bread & circuses" has not changed much over the millennia, just the amount and the media driven short/hyperbolic news cycle.

Back to snooze, and dodging the fookin Cooties...Be safe and careful out there.
GL, Ol'UncleMotor

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by motordavid

The school kids may/are probably at low risk for serious effects of CV 19, other than the anecdotal death/serious afflictions from the virus. I think many of us are aware of that v slight impact on school age children...

Back to snooze, and dodging the fookin Cooties...Be safe and careful out there.
GL, Ol'UncleMotor

Agree with EOD. Thanks for the reasonable opinion MD. I agree with all of it I think.

Our politicians, and system in general, has been bought and paid for. Democrat or Republican doesn't matter. Just look at the policies they enact, both sides going against traditional party beliefs but they get away with it because of "team" politics. That, and our news media is garbage furthering the team entrenchment. News should be dry and boring, but informative and straight.

[EODguy]

I agree with most of what you said motordavid and thanks for a point of view that is not based solely on politics

Everyone should have the option on work vs. not working or schooling, health risks, etc.

I hope you and yours stay healthy and do what is necessary for your personal situation.

Stay safe

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[ard]

Saying 'both sides are bought and paid for' is a gutless cop out, IMO.


Trumpism has brought this country to its knees. In almost every aspect.


Those conservatives and republicans that sit by and let Trump and his 4th tier grifters continue to fleece and scam, and justify this with 'yeah they are all corrupt' disgust me. You sat around and chortled at the misfortune of the lefties when Trump blitzed through the primary campaign, happy to cheer him on for your entertainment....now you own the disaster we all face. Your hatred of "the left' has allowed you to be co-opted by criminals. Own it.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by ard

Saying 'both sides are bought and paid for' is a gutless cop out, IMO.

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't belong to a party, and have lost faith in the Republic, or at least the electoral process we use to service the Republic. I vote based on the candidate, not the letter by their name. Trump was allowed to win because the Democrats assumed the status quo. Well, it changed. And now we have the Cheeto in Chief making America look foolish. I did not vote for him, I won't in November. Nor will I vote for Biden, unless he picks one hell of a running mate.

But, what makes us (meaning Americans) look worse than Trump? The fact that both sides believe their party to be in sole possession of all the right answers. And so we entrench ourselves in red or blue. Politics have become a religion. Them vs us. Tragic.

But, again, it doesn't matter anyway because our politicians aren't interested in serving us. Corporations want to do something illegal, or against the interest of the consumer? No problem, we'll add some legislation to a 500 page bill and sneak it through for you. See Ajit Pai at the FCC for numerous examples of corporate servitude (he's an ex Verizon attorney btw). Trump is a result of the flawed system, not the catalyst for one. Though he's definitely not making things any better. But neither did Obama. Not discounting his administration before I get jumped on. Obama had some successes, but overall, it was business as usual. He got my vote first term and lost it for his second.

We can all exercise our rights to vote, suggest we do so. Even with my pessimism I drag my ass to the booth every four years (more frequently than that obviously for local/State).

As for the virus, we are going to homeschool this year. Fortunately, we have that option. I feel for parents who both work and are losing income/jobs or are having to send their kids off to school and risk the health of the family. Returning to school is one of those lose/lose decisions that each district will have to decide on. The virus has highlighted problems in our society that existed prior to Trump, and will remain long after. It's human nature to want to place blame. We are in a pandemic, it's going to suck no matter what paths we take. Especially with the shortcomings mentioned above, both social and political.

Not sure why I wasted time typing all that, as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

[Maruzo]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

We are certainly that. It's like a family meeting where all the siblings quarrel with each other but at the end of the day they make up because they all have something in common, they are their parents children.

Here at the forum we have common grounds to build on, we all have a love for the venerable X5 and we are passionate about our country. So differences in opinion at the end of the day are just that, it's nothing to get overly anxious about.

I don't think any of us here is stupid enough to believe in falsehoods or gets lead astray because of some fantastic promises from their leaders in life.

Sooner or later we realize what's at stake and we adjust our behaviors to counter the bad influences in our lives.

Rambling on now, just hoping that we can come out of this in a positive way.

[bcredliner]

Originally Posted by crystalworks

Certainly entitled to your opinion. I don't belong to a party, and have lost faith in the Republic, or at least the electoral process we use to service the Republic. I vote based on the candidate, not the letter by their name. Trump was allowed to win because the Democrats assumed the status quo. Well, it changed. And now we have the Cheeto in Chief making America look foolish. I did not vote for him, I won't in November. Nor will I vote for Biden, unless he picks one hell of a running mate.

But, what makes us (meaning Americans) look worse than Trump? The fact that both sides believe their party to be in sole possession of all the right answers. And so we entrench ourselves in red or blue. Politics have become a religion. Them vs us. Tragic.

But, again, it doesn't matter anyway because our politicians aren't interested in serving us. Corporations want to do something illegal, or against the interest of the consumer? No problem, we'll add some legislation to a 500 page bill and sneak it through for you. See Ajit Pai at the FCC for numerous examples of corporate servitude (he's an ex Verizon attorney btw). Trump is a result of the flawed system, not the catalyst for one. Though he's definitely not making things any better. But neither did Obama. Not discounting his administration before I get jumped on. Obama had some successes, but overall, it was business as usual. He got my vote first term and lost it for his second.

We can all exercise our rights to vote, suggest we do so. Even with my pessimism I drag my ass to the booth every four years (more frequently than that obviously for local/State).

As for the virus, we are going to homeschool this year. Fortunately, we have that option. I feel for parents who both work and are losing income/jobs or are having to send their kids off to school and risk the health of the family. Returning to school is one of those lose/lose decisions that each district will have to decide on. The virus has highlighted problems in our society that existed prior to Trump, and will remain long after. It's human nature to want to place blame. We are in a pandemic, it's going to suck no matter what paths we take. Especially with the shortcomings mentioned above, both social and political.

Not sure why I wasted time typing all that, as maruzo already pointed out, opinions are unlikely to change. I suppose because we are a social species.

Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump.

[crystalworks]

Originally Posted by bcredliner

Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump.

Not so, it's a vote for whoever else is on the ticket. If the Dems don't carry the day, that's their fault and no one else's. I don't believe in a 2 party system and I'm not going to use my vote to further it.